AIP->TA->Ratification Timeline
11-30-2015, 07:15 PM
#21
Don't say Guppy
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If I remember right (it affected me) it had an expiration date, which was reached. The company wanted to extend it. ALPA refused. I don't know if that was done by JH, or the MEC.
I believe that is what has brought us to this point.
I believe that is what has brought us to this point.
11-30-2015, 07:44 PM
#22
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Joined APC: May 2009
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Who cares that talks for full Sec 6 will commence in May!!! If it takes them the standard 4-6 years to get an agreement, that's 4-6 years of lost increase wages that we never ever get retro pay for. How idiotic. And you have a lot of faith in our economy thinking it will be in a bull run still which would set the all time record for bull runs. And of course the interest rate hikes will have no affect on the economy, housing market, stock market, etc. Very optimistic are you?! Why not have the pay raise and still go into full Sec 6 talks. If they drag it out, which they always do then we lose nothing. Plus we have the Me Too DAL clause so we won't be left behind. Too many dreamers out there.
So says you.
Lets just say for a moment that what they want is worth significantly more than the 13% we are to receive in exchange. And lets say that we shoot it down. Why are so many of you convinced that their need for our relief will instantly evaporate? Especially given that this whole idea was theirs? And if that's the case, why would they then drag their feet for "4-6 years" in order to wrest from us what they have already shown they want? Does that make sense to anyone? "Much to my dismay"...it clearly does after reading both forums. "Because they said so?" You believe them?
What I know is this, UA has done everything possible to diminish us for a very long time. First the courts and bankruptcy, then cameras in ops, the courts again and a law suit, then a merger during which the deck was clearly stacked against one of the two teams by the surviving management team. Since then they have blatantly ignored the new contract and have told us to "grieve it".
I also know that the details which were leaked prior to the last TA were greeted with guffaws by most and were characterized as being completely unsat and concessionary. Yet not two weeks later when the details were released the rumors were dead nuts on! Then, we voted this POS in! Why? Because the Blue V Black division was being institutionalized by Smisek and his "team". That was the overriding concern for many. Couple that with astonishing pilot apathy and a total lack of unity brought on by the actions of the company.
One need look no further than at how they furloughed LUA F/A' while they hired on the LCAL side and at how their contract hasn't moved an inch to see if that tactic has borne fruit.
WRT your comment on loss of Retro pay, I think thats a canard. We don't get retro pay. Retro should mean full pay at the new rate since the amendable date, plus the 401K kicker! We get a "signing bonus"! Even though I watched JH tell my Captain that full retro was "all there".
If we sell something worth a dollar for 60 cents we're chumps.
I hope that this deal is one which I can fully support. I truly hope that Heppner pulls a very green rabbit out of his hat. But I have doubts borne from experience.
Last edited by oldmako; 11-30-2015 at 08:28 PM.
11-30-2015, 09:03 PM
#26
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11-30-2015, 09:46 PM
#28
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12-01-2015, 02:13 AM
#29
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FWIW, the MEC rescinded MOU 22 with a unanimous vote back in March as either side could withdraw from the MOU at any time with 30 days notice.
12-01-2015, 03:19 AM
#30
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