AIP->TA->Ratification Timeline
11-30-2015, 05:06 PM
#11
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Mitch....really? Since January is paid in Feb, the vote could happen in January and we could still get paid on time. Chuck, Svergin, and Fanatical NAILED it. We have an experienced Negotiating Committee. They didn't get duped. Sounds like you've been listening to all the Monday morning cockpit jockeys out there...."never take the first offer, if they want it that bad, they'll pay more"...yada, yada, yada. If the rumors are true, this is a slam dunk. Watch and see.
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11-30-2015, 05:10 PM
#12
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Who cares that talks for full Sec 6 will commence in May!!! If it takes them the standard 4-6 years to get an agreement, that's 4-6 years of lost increase wages that we never ever get retro pay for. How idiotic. And you have a lot of faith in our economy thinking it will be in a bull run still which would set the all time record for bull runs. And of course the interest rate hikes will have no affect on the economy, housing market, stock market, etc. Very optimistic are you?! Why not have the pay raise and still go into full Sec 6 talks. If they drag it out, which they always do then we lose nothing. Plus we have the Me Too DAL clause so we won't be left behind. Too many dreamers out there.
11-30-2015, 05:13 PM
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Mitch....really? Since January is paid in Feb, the vote could happen in January and we could still get paid on time. Chuck, Svergin, and Fanatical NAILED it. We have an experienced Negotiating Committee. They didn't get duped. Sounds like you've been listening to all the Monday morning cockpit jockeys out there...."never take the first offer, if they want it that bad, they'll pay more"...yada, yada, yada. If the rumors are true, this is a slam dunk. Watch and see.
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11-30-2015, 05:42 PM
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Today's ALPA mail. Emphasis added by me:
In other words, stop getting into heated debate here.
November 30, 2015
Dear United Pilots,
Today, the MEC met in closed session for an update on negotiations and to review the Agreement in Principle (AIP) for a contract extension. The MEC heard briefings from the Negotiating Committee, ALPA’s Economic and Financial Analysis department (E&FA), and the UAL MEC’s Fatigue Risk Management System (FRMS) team. The briefings included a review of the AIP, detailed questions and answers, and an overview of the passed proposals and negotiations.
The AIP has piqued the curiosity of many. All of us on the MEC are anxious to get the specifics out to our pilots as soon as possible; however, until the final language is complete and the AIP has been converted into a Tentative Agreement (TA), there is no detailed information to share. The details are in the language of the Tentative Agreement which is well underway.
Nearly all of the forum posts, blogs, email threads, media reports, and other speculations are wrong, in part or in whole, as no one has the benefit of the final language of the TA. ALPA has a governance process controlled by the MEC that first requires a Tentative Agreement to be completed. Next, the MEC will have a copy of the TA for a minimum of seven days, then there will be a meeting for the MEC to consider the TA and then potentially pass it to you, the membership, to consider for final ratification.
The process should not and cannot be rushed or short circuited. The language writing is proceeding, and we will provide a Tentative Agreement to the MEC as soon as possible.
Dear United Pilots,
Today, the MEC met in closed session for an update on negotiations and to review the Agreement in Principle (AIP) for a contract extension. The MEC heard briefings from the Negotiating Committee, ALPA’s Economic and Financial Analysis department (E&FA), and the UAL MEC’s Fatigue Risk Management System (FRMS) team. The briefings included a review of the AIP, detailed questions and answers, and an overview of the passed proposals and negotiations.
The AIP has piqued the curiosity of many. All of us on the MEC are anxious to get the specifics out to our pilots as soon as possible; however, until the final language is complete and the AIP has been converted into a Tentative Agreement (TA), there is no detailed information to share. The details are in the language of the Tentative Agreement which is well underway.
Nearly all of the forum posts, blogs, email threads, media reports, and other speculations are wrong, in part or in whole, as no one has the benefit of the final language of the TA. ALPA has a governance process controlled by the MEC that first requires a Tentative Agreement to be completed. Next, the MEC will have a copy of the TA for a minimum of seven days, then there will be a meeting for the MEC to consider the TA and then potentially pass it to you, the membership, to consider for final ratification.
The process should not and cannot be rushed or short circuited. The language writing is proceeding, and we will provide a Tentative Agreement to the MEC as soon as possible.
11-30-2015, 05:53 PM
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Hefner is just trying to control the message.
11-30-2015, 06:14 PM
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Who's debating specifics? I'm talking about the value of leverage, the fact that the entire contract has a $ value vs only section 3 , the fact that the company is not doing this out of the goodness of their heart, and irrational and unfounded fear will cost money.
Hefner is just trying to control the message.
Hefner is just trying to control the message.
11-30-2015, 06:26 PM
#18
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Goodness of their heart? Of course not. They are (allegedly) offering industry leading wages and reversing LOA 25. THAT is something and it has value. A lot of value. And it's Heppner, not Hefner...the guy who brought you contract 2012 and stopped the carnage on his watch after 2 years of NADA from the other chick. Heppner....the guy who survived the consolidation as MEC Chair, and now is bringing you INDUSTRY LEADING pay rates.
JH has gotten results. The company wanted MOU reauthorized 7 months ago. JH held out till now, and got a bunch more stuff. I think it might have been well played on our part.
11-30-2015, 06:57 PM
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Goodness of their heart? Of course not. They are (allegedly) offering industry leading wages and reversing LOA 25. THAT is something and it has value. A lot of value. And it's Heppner, not Hefner...the guy who brought you contract 2012 and stopped the carnage on his watch after 2 years of NADA from the other chick. Heppner....the guy who survived the consolidation as MEC Chair, and now is bringing you INDUSTRY LEADING pay rates.
I do need help in understanding one topic though. Will TPA Jay's legacy be based on instituting LOA25 or freeing us from the shackles of LOA25 since both have his fingerprints?
11-30-2015, 07:01 PM
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Did Hepner rescind MOU 22 or did the MEC kill it?
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