gettinbumped

I'm sure that they did a cost analysis of all of this. It would be WAYYYYYYY more than the 15/16% pay raise

gettinbumped

It was in there. 1 of the 5 items in the initial letter. If there are indeed no improvements that will be disappointing.... and I'm not in reserve

whtever

"The remainder of the week was spent with both Parties analyzing the costs of the five items to be discussed during this negotiation (Compensation, retroactive longevity for furloughs, MOU 22 replacement, RESERVE ASSIGNMENT process improvements and FRMS.* This exercise, while time consuming, is essential since it allows for common understanding of what the individual provisions are worth."

SpecialTracking

If...all true, we are netting a 15% pay raise. (16+3+2-3-3%) A 15% raise for three more years (that's if we get a contract on time) while the company benefits from huge revenue increases at the hands of ulh flying and the cost savings via extending a poor contract.

Yes, we might have a DAL me too clause for pay rates, but DAL has just shown that pay rates aren't everything. What if they go for large QOL improvements and accept minimal pay increases over our book rates? We are still left with substandard reserve rules, sick pay, vacation pay, training pay and many other issues for the foreseeable future.

oldmako

If this puny 13 percent raise goes through with zero improvements to reserve rules, then we are truly a spineless group. I hope that every myopic yes voter gets to enjoy years on reserve.

intrepidcv11

Did you vote Yes on the last contract?

Firsttimeflyer

100% agree

buscappy

[QUOTE=SpecialTracking;2014536]If...all true, we are netting a 15% pay raise. (16+3+2-3-3%) A 15% raise .....

look, clearly pilots aren't expected to be financial experts, but listen, any high school kid can do better math than this analysis. percentages are relative - a percentage of some other number. percentage raises don't add and subtract like apples. that 16% up front makes the 3% worth a lot more in dollars than a 3% would be without a 16% raise ahead of it. i only point this out hoping maybe 15% of pilots on the forum got at least a C in high school math - which may be hoping for too much eh

gettinbumped

To play devils advocate, that 15% for 3 years is real money. For an average Captain, that's $30k a year x 3 years, or $90k. You assume that the contract would be on time. I can't remember the last time we had one of those! Let's say it goes another 2 years that's 15% per year while we negotiate, or ANOTHER $60k. Assuming DAL doesn't get a raise in the next 3 years above us. So you are reasonably talking $150k in extra pay over 5 years. That's not chump change.

I don't see the increased international flying and flexibility as a win for just the company. It's important for us to be able to utilize our new aircraft coming in to their fullest. That revenue that you say benefits the company also benefits us: profit sharing, health of the airline, increased international flying, etc.

On the flip side, if the rumor is true, no improvements in reserve rules is very disappointing, and the money isn't as good as I was hoping it would be. There are certainly some things that could stand to be improved through Section 6 that are important and the discussion is definitely appropriate as to whether it makes sense to accept this or turn it down and wait to start a full Section 6 in a year or so. I'll wait for the details and an explanation from the negotiating committee to decide how I'm going to vote

contrail67

A bigger issue is that our profit sharing metric was not changed or eliminated. When I have done reserve I have credited 82 hours+ and flew 2 times in that month....about 20 hours block.