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01-18-2016, 06:39 AM
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Decision 83 is based upon "productivity" that incorporates aircraft capability (gross weight, speed, range) so a 195e2 is less "productive" then a 737-700 (or 319) since it is less on two of those metrics. So if we stay true to the formula, it should pay less.
One can certainly argue that actual pay rate is too low, but if we follow Decision 83 it will pay less.
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01-18-2016, 06:51 AM
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I'm sure the E195-E2 is a fine airplane. It's just no 737-700. United is in the market for 30 NSNBs for a filler between the Rj and the 737-700/319. Not a replacement. Heck, they're buying up all the used 737s/319s they can find. We just set the bar for pay on the E190/CS100. Industry leading bar.
01-18-2016, 07:28 AM
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737-700 Mtow 154.5 Range 4400
A319 Mtow 141.0 Range 3700
E195-E2 Mtow 129.4 Range 2000
01-18-2016, 09:43 AM
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E2 is 120 seats in United config, 131k, and 2000 miles
737-700 is 118 seats in United config, 154k, and 3300 miles
Still, I've never seen a pilot group so excited to argue for lower pay for larger aircraft. Good for you, I guess.
01-18-2016, 11:02 AM
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Sorry, I don't think he really represents the usual UAL pilot viewpoint. A lot of what he says is gibberish. Take it with a grain of salt, then again, this is not much better than a local gossip group.
01-18-2016, 11:43 AM
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If the 737-900ER is the 757 killer (domestically) then the CS100 and/or E195 E2 is the potential 737-700 (or A319) killer for 85% of their block hours.
Sure, the 737-700 is perfect if you are going BOG-EWR, or flying out of EGE, or doing a thin transcon out of EWR so the airplane is not going away. But that range capability is useless on the more typical IAH-AUS or ORD-MSP segments where the -700s seem to live.
The question becomes: will Boeing sell new -700s for a low enough price to overcome the higher operating costs? IMHO, we are about to find out.
Sure, the 737-700 is perfect if you are going BOG-EWR, or flying out of EGE, or doing a thin transcon out of EWR so the airplane is not going away. But that range capability is useless on the more typical IAH-AUS or ORD-MSP segments where the -700s seem to live.
The question becomes: will Boeing sell new -700s for a low enough price to overcome the higher operating costs? IMHO, we are about to find out.
01-18-2016, 12:14 PM
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its a paper airplane that hasnt even been built yet, let alone been purchased. Come back when its actually on property before you get all upset. Plenty of RJs left to fly
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01-18-2016, 02:03 PM
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How much cargo can be carried by the paper airplane? I couldn't find an answer but since it's 2x2 in Y, the cargo compartment is going to be small due to the smaller fuselage.
01-18-2016, 03:41 PM
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The C-Series will be operational and online for SWISS in the next few months and will be used for shorter, intra-European routes - the same types of routes that any legacy would fly here in the States. Given Bombardier's financial situation, and with Republic's orders and options for the CS300 available, now is the time to do a deal!
Again, the C-Series is not a stretched CRJ or a geriatric 1980s-designed 737. Do a little research - the C-Series is a game changer on many levels. And, according to what I have read, it is apparently a pleasure to fly too (FBW, sidesticks, auto throttles, Collins ProLine Fusion, huge cockpit windows and a roomy flight deck).
But in the end, the per-unit cost and the ability to support a new fleet will largely influence the bean counters...
Again, the C-Series is not a stretched CRJ or a geriatric 1980s-designed 737. Do a little research - the C-Series is a game changer on many levels. And, according to what I have read, it is apparently a pleasure to fly too (FBW, sidesticks, auto throttles, Collins ProLine Fusion, huge cockpit windows and a roomy flight deck).
But in the end, the per-unit cost and the ability to support a new fleet will largely influence the bean counters...
Last edited by David Puddy; 01-18-2016 at 04:02 PM.
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