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01-17-2016, 08:37 PM

#231

Shrek

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I forgot the part where we had ANY say in what UAL orders be it SNB - NB or WB. LoL

01-17-2016, 09:08 PM

#232

PILEOAV8R

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrek

I forgot the part where we had ANY say in what UAL orders be it SNB - NB or WB. LoL

+1

"The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters." Lol! Really???

01-17-2016, 09:20 PM

#233

Probe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrek

I forgot the part where we had ANY say in what UAL orders be it SNB - NB or WB. LoL

We have the exact same say as with anything else the company does - we get to complain. A lot.

01-18-2016, 03:54 AM

#234

bvt1151

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A question on the asterisks from someone outside United:

Is the E-195E2 included in the same pay band as the E-195? That is a 130-seat aircraft (much larger than the original E-195)

01-18-2016, 04:14 AM

#235

cadetdrivr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bvt1151

A question on the asterisks from someone outside United:

Is the E-195E2 included in the same pay band as the E-195? That is a 130-seat aircraft (much larger than the original E-195)

Yup.

What could possibly go wrong?

01-18-2016, 04:22 AM

#236

Probe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

Yup.

What could possibly go wrong?

It is still a paper airplane. Why waste negotiating capitol on it.

01-18-2016, 04:26 AM

#237

bvt1151

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

Yup.

What could possibly go wrong?

That thing is the size of a 737-700! It's 10 feet longer than the E195-E1, but they kept the same designator for marketing purposes. Did the United pilot group just get duped by an OEM marketing team?

01-18-2016, 05:52 AM

#238

jsled

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bvt1151

Nobody got duped, sport. The rate is 195/hr for an E190 thru an E195-E2. Go find me a better rate anywhere for that A/C. A 737-700 MTOW is 23K heavier than an E195-E2, with more than 2x the range.

01-18-2016, 05:55 AM

#239

cadetdrivr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Probe

It is still a paper airplane. Why waste negotiating capitol on it.

There's been plenty of "paper airplanes" negotiated in advance over the years. A recent example is the CS300 in the UPA.

Considering that one of the stated reasons for entering negotiations for the TA was for a new small narrowbody aircraft THIS was (past tense) the exact time we were supposed to get it right.

01-18-2016, 06:13 AM

#240

bvt1151

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jsled

Nobody got duped, sport. The rate is 195/hr for an E190 thru an E195-E2. Go find me a better rate anywhere for that A/C. A 737-700 MTOW is 23K heavier than an E195-E2, with more than 2x the range.

You're negotiating your pay rates based on range? Then why is the A319/73G rate lower than the MD80/90? 757-300 vs 757-200?

The E-195E2 has more seats than the 737-700, and you may have just agreed to fly it for $57/hr less. Wow!

Talk about buying your own growth...