More Small Narrow Body talk
#191
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What REALLY sucks coming from the RJ world is that United CHOOSES to make everything about express flying worse.
-No jetbridge
-No snacks
-Small boarding areas
-No ramps
-Boarding through a fire escape!
Always made me mad when flying an RJ. The passengers bought a ticket on United, they should get good service. Hopefully the 50/66/70 seat RJ flying that sticks around gets some improvement... Back to the C-Series vs. E2 topic!
-No jetbridge
-No snacks
-Small boarding areas
-No ramps
-Boarding through a fire escape!
Always made me mad when flying an RJ. The passengers bought a ticket on United, they should get good service. Hopefully the 50/66/70 seat RJ flying that sticks around gets some improvement... Back to the C-Series vs. E2 topic!
#192
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Joined APC: Dec 2008
Position: 320 Captain
Posts: 657
Ftr, I'm not trying to sway your yes vote...its most likely gonna pass with my no vote...however, riddle me this?
The T.A. Is announced from momma U..in the same breath there is talk of a snb ac on property,flown by momma U av8rs..then, the T.A. Gets approval for vote, there is no more talk of such ac order..there is an * next to two ac types...so why not announce what the ac will be prior to the vote? also, e190E2 range 2800/cs100 range is 3100nm. Both of these will fly the guppy routes,minus island stuff, for less coin than a guppy pilot. Like I said, it's like skywest again..meaning a crew on the crj 700 is basically doing the same job as we are,for much much less coin..you,jsled of all should know that momma U does
NOT have you or your family's best interest in mind. Oil is cheap, loads are maxed and the boys at the top are R O L L I N G in straight up cash.
I stopped reading the T.A. when I saw the pay scale rates, AND when I saw that ALPA ignored my/our request to have my travel board date adjusted to my hire date, that's right, more than 2 years difference from hire date to new date due to a b.s. furlough...this my man is a ZERO cost item to fix and keep everyone equal...
The T.A. Is announced from momma U..in the same breath there is talk of a snb ac on property,flown by momma U av8rs..then, the T.A. Gets approval for vote, there is no more talk of such ac order..there is an * next to two ac types...so why not announce what the ac will be prior to the vote? also, e190E2 range 2800/cs100 range is 3100nm. Both of these will fly the guppy routes,minus island stuff, for less coin than a guppy pilot. Like I said, it's like skywest again..meaning a crew on the crj 700 is basically doing the same job as we are,for much much less coin..you,jsled of all should know that momma U does
NOT have you or your family's best interest in mind. Oil is cheap, loads are maxed and the boys at the top are R O L L I N G in straight up cash.
I stopped reading the T.A. when I saw the pay scale rates, AND when I saw that ALPA ignored my/our request to have my travel board date adjusted to my hire date, that's right, more than 2 years difference from hire date to new date due to a b.s. furlough...this my man is a ZERO cost item to fix and keep everyone equal...
Yes the 190e2 has 2800 nm range but it only seats 97 in a two class config (even less when E+ is added).
The 195e2 has a max range of 2000nm seating 120 in two classes (less with E+).
Neither one of those is a direct replacement for a 319 or 737-700 in seats (using a common config of F/E+/E), weights or range capability.
If we stay true to decision 83, they should pay less then a 319/737.
#193
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Joined APC: Jun 2015
Position: Left
Posts: 1,823
Everyone seems to get nervous when you mention Bombardier and mainline flying in the same sentence. Those people have not done their research. The C-Series (both the 100 and the 300 versions) is not a CRJ. Since we will be spending a lot of time up front on multiple legs, your flight deck should hopefully be comfortable as well as facilitate situational awareness.
So, for those who aren't familiar, check out this recent video describing both the super-automated cockpit as well as the comfortable passenger cabin:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEtYyMbSY8
Sure, we as pilots have no say in the matter. Management will make up its mind based on economics and the best deal. Sounds like Embraer might have an edge at UAL given all of the E170/5s currently operating for the airline - but you never know.
Regardless, I hope one of the legacies picks up this type. I have been watching this program for the last 3 years and I am impressed. The CEO of Bombardier is an ex aircraft leasing company executive - let's hope he can sharpen his pencil for some good major airline deals.
So, for those who aren't familiar, check out this recent video describing both the super-automated cockpit as well as the comfortable passenger cabin:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEtYyMbSY8
Sure, we as pilots have no say in the matter. Management will make up its mind based on economics and the best deal. Sounds like Embraer might have an edge at UAL given all of the E170/5s currently operating for the airline - but you never know.
Regardless, I hope one of the legacies picks up this type. I have been watching this program for the last 3 years and I am impressed. The CEO of Bombardier is an ex aircraft leasing company executive - let's hope he can sharpen his pencil for some good major airline deals.
Last edited by David Puddy; 01-09-2016 at 06:39 PM.
#194
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 545
Everyone seems to get nervous when you mention Bombardier and mainline flying in the same sentence. Those people have not done their research. The C-Series (both the 100 and the 300 versions) is not a CRJ. Since we will be spending a lot of time up front on multiple legs, your flight deck should hopefully be comfortable as well as facilitate situational awareness.
So, for those who aren't familiar, check out this recent video describing both the super-automated cockpit as well as the comfortable passenger cabin:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEtYyMbSY8
Sure, we as pilots have no say in the matter. Management will make up its mind based on economics and the best deal. Sounds like Embraer might have an edge at UAL given all of the E170/5s currently operating for the airline - but you never know.
Regardless, I hope one of the legacies picks up this type. I have been watching this program for the last 3 years and I am impressed. The CEO of Bombardier is an ex aircraft leasing company executive - let's hope he can sharpen his pencil for some good major airline deals.
So, for those who aren't familiar, check out this recent video describing both the super-automated cockpit as well as the comfortable passenger cabin:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ndEtYyMbSY8
Sure, we as pilots have no say in the matter. Management will make up its mind based on economics and the best deal. Sounds like Embraer might have an edge at UAL given all of the E170/5s currently operating for the airline - but you never know.
Regardless, I hope one of the legacies picks up this type. I have been watching this program for the last 3 years and I am impressed. The CEO of Bombardier is an ex aircraft leasing company executive - let's hope he can sharpen his pencil for some good major airline deals.
It's not going to be bombardier
#195
Actually you are completely wrong. Not gonna name my source but u will find out in a month. CS-100 is a performance machine. Unfortunately u have to pay huge money to carry that around all the time and barely use it. CS-100 vastly more expensive per copy. UAL doesn't believe bombardier could deliver what they need on time and very worried about support. Most upper management want to stay with a319 and 737-700, and not get another fleet.
#196
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Or perhaps that is what management is telling Bombardier... so as to negotiate a better price! Bombardier has certainly been hinting in the press recently that they have been talking with us, and I do recall hearing about a static display not too long ago at one of our bases. The current 190/195 are not performing so well (hence why Air Canada and JetBlue are ditching them and we have not shown interest in picking them up), I wonder if the E-2 will be improved enough to justify the investment. But either way it is hard to argue that we really need yet another fleet type, especially when fuel prices are so low.
If UAL orders the E2 first delivery is expected to be 2018-2019, and by then the C-Series will have been in operation for 2 years with SWISS and a few others. Check out this well-done video showing the upcoming SWISS C-Series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9yWF9cCVJY
I guess time will tell which is selected by any legacies. Peace out!
Last edited by David Puddy; 01-10-2016 at 04:11 PM.
#197
Would a 777 FO at $205 an hour be able to bid CA on this new shiny thing at $185 if he were seat locked? (Not that many people would). This whole bidding up to higher equipment thing...I haven't seen how it works when wide body FO paid higher than left seat.
#198
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Position: 777 CA
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If we were to get a new fleet they'd have to fit it into the freeze matrix and who knows how that would play other than the small FO would be bottom. As far as bidding down goes, 8-D-1-e would allow anyone to bid it for the first 6 months as it would be a "new" category.
#199
If we were to get a new fleet they'd have to fit it into the freeze matrix and who knows how that would play other than the small FO would be bottom. As far as bidding down goes, 8-D-1-e would allow anyone to bid it for the first 6 months as it would be a "new" category.
#200
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Position: 777 CA
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8-D-2-c A bidding freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding for a Captain vacancy in his
current Equipment type, nor from bidding to a new Base (a Base shall be considered “new”
for vacancies with effective dates within six (6) months of the effective date of the first
vacancy bulletin for that new Base).
8-D-1-d An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered
Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay
band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
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