More Small Narrow Body talk
01-09-2016, 07:05 AM
#181
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It's usually because they don't know to dispatch with a bleeds off landing. Only in the worst do you have to do bleeds on and wing anti ice on. This is when the huge hit happens.
Just finished sim training- there is a new procedure which allows you to dispatch with a flaps 5 go around instead of 15. This mostly solves the massive approach climb limit penalty.
Still deafening and cramped up front though.
Just finished sim training- there is a new procedure which allows you to dispatch with a flaps 5 go around instead of 15. This mostly solves the massive approach climb limit penalty.
Still deafening and cramped up front though.
01-09-2016, 08:03 AM
#182
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Well, it sorta works as a replacement. They can buy them, schedule them, put them on gates and sell tickets. They can then offer less room to the paying passengers. They can then bump pax and limit their bags. They can stop for gas, they can run the APU all the way to Hawaii and they can leave non revs behind. They can't take a full load to DEN in icing, can't carry a full load (east) out of Orange County, etc. etc.
Hell of a metric! "Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it" is a rather flimsy measure of success isn't it? After all, this is the same gang that brought us Shares, (including a whole slew of other IT failures - including nearly downing the entire fleet multiple times when Sabre/Dispatch functions crapped out), massively dorked up vacancy awards, put hundreds of guys in some based (doing nothing) while they cancel flights in others, etc etc etc.
Ford used to make an Edsel too.
Let's face it, the plane should have died a natural death 20 years ago. If not for SWA, Airbus would have crushed Boeing in narrow body sales. There's a reason that virtually all the US startups (JetBlue, Frontier, Spirit, Virgin) and dozens of other airlines worldwide have switched to the bus. (Insert chainsaw retort here)
Its the same fuselage cross section as the original 707. Look at the overhead and its 1967, look at the panel and its a triple. Look at the jump seat and its romper room.
Hell of a metric! "Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it" is a rather flimsy measure of success isn't it? After all, this is the same gang that brought us Shares, (including a whole slew of other IT failures - including nearly downing the entire fleet multiple times when Sabre/Dispatch functions crapped out), massively dorked up vacancy awards, put hundreds of guys in some based (doing nothing) while they cancel flights in others, etc etc etc.
Ford used to make an Edsel too.
Let's face it, the plane should have died a natural death 20 years ago. If not for SWA, Airbus would have crushed Boeing in narrow body sales. There's a reason that virtually all the US startups (JetBlue, Frontier, Spirit, Virgin) and dozens of other airlines worldwide have switched to the bus. (Insert chainsaw retort here)
Its the same fuselage cross section as the original 707. Look at the overhead and its 1967, look at the panel and its a triple. Look at the jump seat and its romper room.
01-09-2016, 08:09 AM
#183
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Position: 737 capt
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Ftr, I'm not trying to sway your yes vote...its most likely gonna pass with my no vote...however, riddle me this?
The T.A. Is announced from momma U..in the same breath there is talk of a snb ac on property,flown by momma U av8rs..then, the T.A. Gets approval for vote, there is no more talk of such ac order..there is an * next to two ac types...so why not announce what the ac will be prior to the vote? also, e190E2 range 2800/cs100 range is 3100nm. Both of these will fly the guppy routes,minus island stuff, for less coin than a guppy pilot. Like I said, it's like skywest again..meaning a crew on the crj 700 is basically doing the same job as we are,for much much less coin..you,jsled of all should know that momma U does
NOT have you or your family's best interest in mind. Oil is cheap, loads are maxed and the boys at the top are R O L L I N G in straight up cash.
I stopped reading the T.A. when I saw the pay scale rates, AND when I saw that ALPA ignored my/our request to have my travel board date adjusted to my hire date, that's right, more than 2 years difference from hire date to new date due to a b.s. furlough...this my man is a ZERO cost item to fix and keep everyone equal...
The T.A. Is announced from momma U..in the same breath there is talk of a snb ac on property,flown by momma U av8rs..then, the T.A. Gets approval for vote, there is no more talk of such ac order..there is an * next to two ac types...so why not announce what the ac will be prior to the vote? also, e190E2 range 2800/cs100 range is 3100nm. Both of these will fly the guppy routes,minus island stuff, for less coin than a guppy pilot. Like I said, it's like skywest again..meaning a crew on the crj 700 is basically doing the same job as we are,for much much less coin..you,jsled of all should know that momma U does
NOT have you or your family's best interest in mind. Oil is cheap, loads are maxed and the boys at the top are R O L L I N G in straight up cash.
I stopped reading the T.A. when I saw the pay scale rates, AND when I saw that ALPA ignored my/our request to have my travel board date adjusted to my hire date, that's right, more than 2 years difference from hire date to new date due to a b.s. furlough...this my man is a ZERO cost item to fix and keep everyone equal...
01-09-2016, 10:02 AM
#184
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It's an issue that needs to be fixed. Costs the company nothing to fix it and it's the right thing to do.
01-09-2016, 10:09 AM
#185
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Position: guppy CA
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No rollaboards
Near zero storage space
Crummy seats
Lower service levels
Lower on time performance
Halfsized bathroom - and usually only one on the plane
One of my jobs while being furloughed had me fly quite a bit; reached top elite status two or three years. I and every one of my peers hated RJs for the above reasons. There are a lot of frequent flyers who will fly Southwest instead of an RJ - and since Southwest's frequent flyer program stinks compared to the majors, that's saying a lot.
01-09-2016, 11:04 AM
#186
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While the plight of the retirees never seems to get the attention of the active minions, i have to try from time to time to remind everyone that someday this will be you.
For those who favor and support the idea that "time in service" should override a seniority date, I would like to say you can't have it both ways.
"Time" not spent "in service" should either count for everyone or none at all.
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01-09-2016, 11:33 AM
#187
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"There are a lot of frequent flyers who will fly Southwest instead of an RJ "
Yep, that's what he does now.
You have pointed out the issue is being treated like a second class citizen and expectations.
Sound familiar?
Yep, that's what he does now.
You have pointed out the issue is being treated like a second class citizen and expectations.
Sound familiar?
01-09-2016, 12:05 PM
#188
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Isn't it YOUR best interest that I vote for a higher pay scale? That's what I'm doing. But keep the smart comments coming, entertainment on a rainy day is nice.
01-09-2016, 12:19 PM
#189
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It's that flying on an RJ is more inconvenient and uncomfortable than flying on a 'full sized' jet. This was definitely true with 50 seaters and many of the larger RJs, although I haven't been on one in a while.
If we were using a car comparison, it's like riding in a Smart Car (if you haven't been in one, you can rent one through car2go) and a Chevy Cruze.
It's not about being below oneself to travel on an RJ and not so much about second class citizen; it's that it's a more painful way to travel on multiple levels.
Let me flip the conversation on you. Do you consider the RJ to be as comfortable as a mainline aircraft?
01-09-2016, 02:23 PM
#190
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I don't think it's about being treated like a second class citizen - well the boarding areas for RJs tend to be worse than the mainline boarding areas, if you count that as a second class citizen.
It's that flying on an RJ is more inconvenient and uncomfortable than flying on a 'full sized' jet. This was definitely true with 50 seaters and many of the larger RJs, although I haven't been on one in a while.
If we were using a car comparison, it's like riding in a Smart Car (if you haven't been in one, you can rent one through car2go) and a Chevy Cruze.
It's not about being below oneself to travel on an RJ and not so much about second class citizen; it's that it's a more painful way to travel on multiple levels.
Let me flip the conversation on you. Do you consider the RJ to be as comfortable as a mainline aircraft?
It's that flying on an RJ is more inconvenient and uncomfortable than flying on a 'full sized' jet. This was definitely true with 50 seaters and many of the larger RJs, although I haven't been on one in a while.
If we were using a car comparison, it's like riding in a Smart Car (if you haven't been in one, you can rent one through car2go) and a Chevy Cruze.
It's not about being below oneself to travel on an RJ and not so much about second class citizen; it's that it's a more painful way to travel on multiple levels.
Let me flip the conversation on you. Do you consider the RJ to be as comfortable as a mainline aircraft?
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