Grumble

E190 pay rates have an * with a foot note saying the pay rate includes the E2 variant.

Did you read the TA before voting?

Andy

* Includes respective "-E2" variant


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_E-Jet_E2_family

I could see the E195-E2 eventually moving into a higher pay band ... if we continue banding ... but not the E190-E2. First -E2 variant delivery isn't scheduled until 2018.

gettinbumped

Huh?? I couldn't understand anything you were saying. But you might want to compare Skywest RJ rate ($117/hr) and the $185/hr the CS100/E2 would command. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE. If that was the plan, why would the company be ADDING mainline 737-700 and A319 frames??

Furloughs??? Have you read Section 1? How does ordering the E2 cause furloughs?

UAL T38 Phlyer

I'm afraid if I vote, I'll get jury-duty.

(And the jury is out if we get duty rigs for that).

Andy

Having worked for SkyWest rates on furlough deuce, I can unequivocally tell you that you're incorrect. We were started at second year pay of $31/hr. Based on current SkyWest pay rates, that's now $38/hr.

A HUGE point of scope choke was to get the company to buy a SNB aircraft of a smaller gauge than the 319/737-500. And now some want to pizz away the opportunity so that a SNB Captain can be paid at a higher rate than a WB FO? The only way that's feasible is to significantly compress the entire pay scale and I don't think many would be happy with that outcome.

Chuck D

Even further than that...
That's yr 20 Skywest which encompasses a pretty tiny group.
I suppose you could use UAL yr 6CA at almost 180 and yr 2 FO at 90+ (i.e., more than SKY yr 10 CA at 89 if I read it right, plus factor their FO rates as mentioned above), plus 16% and have much more realistic numbers.

Either way, keep the jobs at the major for every reason under the sun!

jsled

$195/hr. Skywest Rates? HAHAHAHA. Skywest pays $117/hr top rate. Delta has the E190s in their pay scales..$139/hr. Jetblue..$182. We top them all with this TA! Ace of Base.

The CS300 is already in the TA. Have you even looked at the TA?

The * says "includes the E2 variant". Big Deal. It is placed next to the E190 and E195. It means that the pay rate is the same for the E190/195 as the 190-E2/195-E2, their new variants. Again...have you actually read the TA or are you just going by cockpit blather?

Still don't see how this leads to furloughs. We buy em, we fly em. If they buy a NSNB, as defined by the UPA, they can get more 76 seaters, but UAX block hour ratios DECREASE, they do not increase...see page 4 of the UPA. This TA does not change that.

And this ain't the military, Sir. An FO can make more than a Captain. Rates are based on aircraft gross weight. Not rank. Our C2000 had FO rates greater than Captain rates.

Man. Click on this link and start watching/reading. Please don't be a clueless voter.

UAL Pilots > Contract Extension Webpage

Andy

I want to chime in one more time about the 'B Scale' in the TA. That steaming pile of bovine dung has been peddled by one person (and bobbleheaded by a few other NO voters). That's completely untrue.

A B Scale is a completely different pay rate table for doing the same job at the same company, entirely based on date of hire. The way the B Scale worked (example only using fictitious numbers) was that someone hired in 1984 would be paid $18/hr as a first year 727 FO (A Scale). Someone hired in 1985 had a completely separate pay rate chart which was less than anyone hired before him, so he was paid $12/hr as a first year 727 FO (B Scale). The A Scale and B Scale were to remain in effect forever ... top pay for a 747 Captain would be hypothetically $125/hr on the A Scale and $85/hr on the B Scale. Same company, only difference was the date of hire.

Sniper66

This TA extension has 72 % yes all over the place.
All who wanted to vote casted their vote already .... 97% participation
And they will not change their vote.


Jan 22nd 10 am will be the announcement
And 23rd will be notarized .



Move on people

David Puddy

I have had mixed experience with CRJs and associated support as well. However, the C-Series is another animal. Recall that the delay was largely caused by an engine issue unrelated to Bombardier. The airplane stood idle for 6 months (full salaries) while they worked on the engine issue.

Regardless, the performance of the C-Series line is far more impressive than what Embraer can provide at this point. This airplane is extremely versatile (Hawaii capable from the West Coast), Eco-friendly and passenger friendly. Up front, you are sitting in a wide cockpit with sidesticks, huge windows for visibility, auto throttles and a Collins Pro Line Fusion system with synthetic vision found in the latest Global Express Bizjet. This ain't a bigger CRJ or Q400.

The thing to remember is that Bombardier needs a big deal - UAL has the leverage in any negotiation. With the Republic slots available, UAL could probably pick them up for cheap. Once SWISS takes its first airplanes soon, other airlines will show more interest.