More Small Narrow Body talk
01-08-2016, 08:14 AM
#142
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Wow! That's too bad if true because the CS100 and CS300 combination would be effective. Republic can't use the 40 CS300 orders and 40 CS300 options due to scope restrictions (probably would sell the positions for cheap) and the CS300 will be available later in 2016. SWISS has orders for both the CS100 and CS300 for intra-Europe routes and will have CS100 operational experience/data to share with the industry by mid 2016.
01-08-2016, 08:38 AM
#143
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Wow! That's too bad if true because the CS100 and CS300 combination would be effective. Republic can't use the 40 CS300 orders and 40 CS300 options due to scope restrictions (probably would sell the positions for cheap) and the CS300 will be available later in 2016. SWISS has orders for both the CS100 and CS300 for intra-Europe routes and will have CS100 operational experience/data to share with the industry by mid 2016.
01-08-2016, 08:46 AM
#144
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So this is where the "*" in the TA is going to lead us to a fight!!
Does including the E2 in the Pay band with the E190/95 (via and Asterisk) also mean that it fulfills the requirement as a NSNB aircraft??? (no asterisk added in that section mentioned in the TA)
If so, that is where the bigger concern comes for the long term plan for the 319 and 737-700. Especially the 319 since the ones we are getting today are used, so their UA life expectancy would be shorter than most of the 737-700s.
Buy the bigger E2 version and replace the A319s and 737-700 with a lower paying aircraft.
Not sure with the low fuel prices and low lease prices (on used 319s) that this is a short term concern, but as fuel goes up in the coming years the savings in lease costs gets eaten up by the increased fuel costs. Then we end up flying the same sized aircraft for less money !
Does including the E2 in the Pay band with the E190/95 (via and Asterisk) also mean that it fulfills the requirement as a NSNB aircraft??? (no asterisk added in that section mentioned in the TA)
If so, that is where the bigger concern comes for the long term plan for the 319 and 737-700. Especially the 319 since the ones we are getting today are used, so their UA life expectancy would be shorter than most of the 737-700s.
Buy the bigger E2 version and replace the A319s and 737-700 with a lower paying aircraft.
Not sure with the low fuel prices and low lease prices (on used 319s) that this is a short term concern, but as fuel goes up in the coming years the savings in lease costs gets eaten up by the increased fuel costs. Then we end up flying the same sized aircraft for less money !
01-08-2016, 09:15 AM
#145
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So, why hasn't the aircraft type been announced? A deal struck and inked before the vote deadline? There is absolutely NO reason for this, except that the asterisk is gonna be a gotcha,imho. Can't imagine being furloughed a 3rd time by the same company. Speaking of that, does the lual furlough first from contract 2012 ,still in play until 2017, or did it come down with the fence?
Why would the asterisk "screw us" and lead to furloughs? Whether the company buys A319s, 737s, CS100s, E190/195s, or E190/195-E2s they will be flown by mainline.
The furlough provision is from the ISL award. It's in force until Sep 2018.
01-08-2016, 09:18 AM
#146
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So, why hasn't the aircraft type been announced? A deal struck and inked before the vote deadline? There is absolutely NO reason for this, except that the asterisk is gonna be a gotcha,imho. Can't imagine being furloughed a 3rd time by the same company. Speaking of that, does the lual furlough first from contract 2012 ,still in play until 2017, or did it come down with the fence?
The more I think about the CS100 addition to the TA, it may just be there to put pressure on other manufacturers/lessors to give United a better price on NSNBs.
01-08-2016, 09:20 AM
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7. Until the first bid period 5 years following the implementation of the ISL, premerger UAL pilots involuntarily furloughed as of Oct 1, 2010 shall be subject to furlough (in their reverse seniority order) prior to the furlough of any premerger CAL pilot.
So 2018.
01-08-2016, 09:42 AM
#148
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There is no NSNB deal as part of this TA. UAL is free to buy any aircraft they see fit at any time.
Why would the asterisk "screw us" and lead to furloughs? Whether the company buys A319s, 737s, CS100s, E190/195s, or E190/195-E2s they will be flown by mainline.
The furlough provision is from the ISL award. It's in force until Sep 2018.
Why would the asterisk "screw us" and lead to furloughs? Whether the company buys A319s, 737s, CS100s, E190/195s, or E190/195-E2s they will be flown by mainline.
The furlough provision is from the ISL award. It's in force until Sep 2018.
Go ahead and vote yes..get ur 13%, and your loa fix, but hopefully this won't lead to furloughs. You and I both know that mgt has had a hard on for us pilots forever! Does a pig in lipstick ring a bell?
01-08-2016, 09:45 AM
#149
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Actually you are completely wrong. Not gonna name my source but u will find out in a month. CS-100 is a performance machine. Unfortunately u have to pay huge money to carry that around all the time and barely use it. CS-100 vastly more expensive per copy. UAL doesn't believe bombardier could deliver what they need on time and very worried about support. Most upper management want to stay with a319 and 737-700, and not get another fleet.
CS beats the E's on casm comparison and performance. That was my point, and isn't refutable.
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