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11-27-2015, 05:19 PM
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Fixed for clarity.
But when a legacy has control over ALL OF IT'S OPERATION, it tends to operate better. After DAL acquired PNCL it cleaned them up considerably. Simply due to the FACT that they have so much oversight and control.
Even after the COEX/XJT IPO spinoff and CAL no longer "owned" it's exclusive (at that time) jet provider they still had almost 100% control of the operation. And due to the agreements and support provided the "on time" as well every other metric was unheard of for a regional lift provider.
Fast forward to where UCH is doing things the way the L-UAL did in the BK and you have a completely crappy and substandard product at the UAX level. And one of the most pathetic things about it, UCH wants that feed CHEAPER. Even though they are still reaping the rock bottom costs attained during all the BK RFP's and lowest bidder operating model.
But when a legacy has control over ALL OF IT'S OPERATION, it tends to operate better. After DAL acquired PNCL it cleaned them up considerably. Simply due to the FACT that they have so much oversight and control.
Even after the COEX/XJT IPO spinoff and CAL no longer "owned" it's exclusive (at that time) jet provider they still had almost 100% control of the operation. And due to the agreements and support provided the "on time" as well every other metric was unheard of for a regional lift provider.
Fast forward to where UCH is doing things the way the L-UAL did in the BK and you have a completely crappy and substandard product at the UAX level. And one of the most pathetic things about it, UCH wants that feed CHEAPER. Even though they are still reaping the rock bottom costs attained during all the BK RFP's and lowest bidder operating model.
11-27-2015, 06:19 PM
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Which is why I used the term "exclusive jet provider (at the time)" verbiage.
I don't remember how many departures a day Colgan did, but at the height of the 274 COEX/XJT planes it was just under 1500 departures a day IIRC. Don't remember how many Colgan had.
11-27-2015, 07:35 PM
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18th hand information though!
11-28-2015, 07:04 AM
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Fixed for clarity.
But when a legacy has control over ALL OF IT'S OPERATION, it tends to operate better. After DAL acquired PNCL it cleaned them up considerably. Simply due to the FACT that they have so much oversight and control.
Even after the COEX/XJT IPO spinoff and CAL no longer "owned" it's exclusive (at that time) jet provider they still had almost 100% control of the operation. And due to the agreements and support provided the "on time" as well every other metric was unheard of for a regional lift provider.
Fast forward to where UCH is doing things the way the L-UAL did in the BK and you have a completely crappy and substandard product at the UAX level. And one of the most pathetic things about it, UCH wants that feed CHEAPER. Even though they are still reaping the rock bottom costs attained during all the BK RFP's and lowest bidder operating model.
But when a legacy has control over ALL OF IT'S OPERATION, it tends to operate better. After DAL acquired PNCL it cleaned them up considerably. Simply due to the FACT that they have so much oversight and control.
Even after the COEX/XJT IPO spinoff and CAL no longer "owned" it's exclusive (at that time) jet provider they still had almost 100% control of the operation. And due to the agreements and support provided the "on time" as well every other metric was unheard of for a regional lift provider.
Fast forward to where UCH is doing things the way the L-UAL did in the BK and you have a completely crappy and substandard product at the UAX level. And one of the most pathetic things about it, UCH wants that feed CHEAPER. Even though they are still reaping the rock bottom costs attained during all the BK RFP's and lowest bidder operating model.
Comair, owned by DAL..........Gone
ACA, all UAL feed..................Gone
Eagle, AMR.............................Almost Gone
XJT...............................Spun off, a small shadow of its former self.
Only the cheapest and dodgiest survive.
11-28-2015, 09:04 AM
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Your answer is not divisive, but I will add a bit;
Comair, owned by DAL..........Gone
ACA, all UAL feed..................Gone
Eagle, AMR.............................Almost Gone
XJT...............................Spun off, a small shadow of its former self.
Only the cheapest and dodgiest survive.
Comair, owned by DAL..........Gone
ACA, all UAL feed..................Gone
Eagle, AMR.............................Almost Gone
XJT...............................Spun off, a small shadow of its former self.
Only the cheapest and dodgiest survive.
However, since DAL bought PNCL, bankrupted them, got their costs super low, I have no idea how their numbers and metrics look.
Also, ACA wasn't all UAL feed. They did a small bit of DelCon as well from summer 2000 till late 2004.
11-28-2015, 01:57 PM
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11-28-2015, 02:11 PM
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Huge capital expense. They haven't been maintained in nearly a decade. And very short lived return. The company needs a new airframe to comply with the UPA. We shouldn't be considering any relief on that. A new 100-110 seat airframe that is modern should be critical to our fleet plan. Just a matter of time, IMHO. Their hands are tied with feed, and we can easily offer them a fair rate and mainline reliability. I suspect that Bombardier is willing to deal to get the program off the ground. A fleet of CS100's makes a world of sense IMHO.
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11-29-2015, 02:29 PM
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