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11-11-2015, 09:17 AM

#31

John Carr

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Originally Posted by APC225

- You must complete any professional development activities required by CommutAir and United Airlines.

WTH does this mean?

11-11-2015, 09:31 AM

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pilotgolfer

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Originally Posted by John Carr

WTH does this mean?

It's a one year, unpaid internship at Willis Tower.

11-11-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules

This is all about securing cheap regional labor for the legacies. Not about staffing mainline.

The number of pilots coming from CommutAir compared to the vast number of pilots that will be hired by UA is likely a small percent. It isn't like what AA is doing. Although I will be curious to see how the next couple years pan out for the AA flow programs and if they will be sustainable without choking off the cheap regional labor supply.

The AA flow thru program is in place for one reason and one reason only - adequate staffing of wholly owned regional feed. The flow thru is the carrot.

11-11-2015, 10:32 AM

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John Carr

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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer

It's a one year, unpaid internship at Willis Tower.

Combined with AT LEAST one year of poorly compensated labor under the banner of the UnitedExpress banner.

11-11-2015, 10:42 AM

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Followed by five weeks in Pyongyang, a few hundred inane short calls, denied expense reports and messed up pay checks.

11-11-2015, 11:04 AM

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John Carr

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Originally Posted by oldmako

Followed by five weeks in Pyongyang, a few hundred inane short calls, denied expense reports and messed up pay checks.

It's part of the "career path" grooming. "Seasoning", if you will. So they show up to UAL ALREADY acclimated.

(Like RJ pilots DON'TE ALREADY deal with this kind of stuff on a daily basis).

11-11-2015, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BeeWatcher

This is simply a case of United negotiating a cheap contract for feed. To ensure that Commutair could pull this off (and at the same negotiating table), Commutair got the magic honey that will allow them to attract "will work for food" pilots.... United doesn't have a mainline pilot shortage; it has a "cheap" commuter pilot shortage.

Does ALPA have a dog in this fight so to speak? Curious as to what ALPA has to say about making it easy to hire cheap pilot labor. I would have thought that ALPA wanted wages to go up.

11-11-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by oldmako

Followed by five weeks in Pyongyang, a few hundred inane short calls, denied expense reports and messed up pay checks.

An unpaid internship on Wanker Drive for a year? Well, at least they can't screw the pay up.

11-11-2015, 08:18 PM

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Sadly true. A perfect retort Sir! 2 Marks.

11-12-2015, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by baseball

Does ALPA have a dog in this fight so to speak? Curious as to what ALPA has to say about making it easy to hire cheap pilot labor. I would have thought that ALPA wanted wages to go up.

They most certainly do (higher wages = higher dues revenue). However, market forces determine everything...still lots and lots of pilots out there. Not much they can do about that.