Pending Grievances
10-10-2015, 07:38 PM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2012
Posts: 1,085
Oh relax. You come on here and get cranky about not having the immediate answer that you want? Geez. I thought flying a 1900 for GL would give you a thicker skin than that.
Sorry, I have no stats for you. However, I can say in general that there is a great deal of angst over here and a much higher level of grievances than could be considered "typical". Compared to DAL, I'm sure we stick out like a sore thumb. Feel better now?
Sorry, I have no stats for you. However, I can say in general that there is a great deal of angst over here and a much higher level of grievances than could be considered "typical". Compared to DAL, I'm sure we stick out like a sore thumb. Feel better now?
10-10-2015, 07:43 PM
#13
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jan 2015
Position: F/A-18 Pilot
Posts: 54
Reading this board is probably NOT the best place to get a frame of reference for the industry. If you want some background reading as to why the union does the things it does, spend a few days with these books on your e-reader.
Flying the Line vol 1
Flying the Line vol 2
and for United specifically:
From Wooden Wings
Flying the Line vol 1
Flying the Line vol 2
and for United specifically:
From Wooden Wings
10-10-2015, 09:11 PM
#14
Stuck Mic
Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,059
No, aero is at frontier. It was mentioned in another thread they have 900ish grievances and United has 9.
I have no factual numbers but I'd have to say that our (United) numbers are much higher, especially considering just the total pilots numbers comparison.
Aero I don't have the answer you are looking for but I can promise you it isn't a 100:1 ratio, especially given we have over 10x the number of pilots, and ones that have been through scab era, double furlough, bankruptcy, mergers etc. I know F9 has been through some stuff but it's not like you are leading the pack in past problems.
ALPA is a stronger union with more resources which enables them to handle grievances faster and with more pilots they can set past precedence easier with the company.
I have no factual numbers but I'd have to say that our (United) numbers are much higher, especially considering just the total pilots numbers comparison.
Aero I don't have the answer you are looking for but I can promise you it isn't a 100:1 ratio, especially given we have over 10x the number of pilots, and ones that have been through scab era, double furlough, bankruptcy, mergers etc. I know F9 has been through some stuff but it's not like you are leading the pack in past problems.
ALPA is a stronger union with more resources which enables them to handle grievances faster and with more pilots they can set past precedence easier with the company.
10-10-2015, 10:02 PM
#15
Gets Weekends Off
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Joined APC: Nov 2012
Position: 1900D CA
Posts: 3,476
Frontier is not ALPA. We have an in house union, although there is a discussion going on about joining ALPA.
The number of grievances we have is about 200, not 900. A lot of ours were pay issues, and some were ugly. We have a new payroll person and the issues have gone way down, but of course a ton are still pending.
The number of grievances we have is about 200, not 900. A lot of ours were pay issues, and some were ugly. We have a new payroll person and the issues have gone way down, but of course a ton are still pending.
10-11-2015, 05:26 AM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Posts: 154
I read "From Wooden Wings" last night and didn't fully grasp the B-Scale pay that was referred to many times including 4 times in the short conclusion.
"The degrading B- scale must end."
"However the hated B-scale, although only a fraction of the scope Ferris and the board envisioned, still plagues this company."
"As Warren Villareal, UAL-MEC No B –Scale Committee Chairman recently said, 'The B-scale salary structure was not just an assault on the new hire pilots, it was an assault on the A-scale pilots.'"
Can someone point me to some reading where I can learn more about what that is; Why it's bad; Is it still here?
"The degrading B- scale must end."
"However the hated B-scale, although only a fraction of the scope Ferris and the board envisioned, still plagues this company."
"As Warren Villareal, UAL-MEC No B –Scale Committee Chairman recently said, 'The B-scale salary structure was not just an assault on the new hire pilots, it was an assault on the A-scale pilots.'"
Can someone point me to some reading where I can learn more about what that is; Why it's bad; Is it still here?
10-11-2015, 06:56 AM
#17
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
I am a pilot with a different carrier. We have a significant stack of grievances pending with the company, and I am curious what the story is at United. Does anyone know roughly how many grievances United pilots file per year, or any thing I can use as a yard stick to compare to my airline.
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