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10-04-2015, 07:30 AM
#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: 737 capt
Posts: 335
Untrue. Smisek traveled all around the system trying to sell snake oil. But I do get your 'of substance' qualifier... The only difference so far is that we don't know if Munoz's words are pure crap yet...just like Smisek circa 2010. FWIW, I don't know if Munoz has admitted making mistakes....he admits UAL made mistakes, but that was before he took over (sound familiar?).
As I said earlier, my job conduct won't change until UAL changes. There are no WORDS that will persuade me, no pleas for loyalty, no rally cries for 'the good of the company', or rhetoric about focusing on the future and ignoring rear view mirrors. I'm a reasonable, big picture guy - but UAL management 'created' me over past decade plus, so now they have to deal with it.
I'll continue to do my job and enforce my contract as I have been doing.
As I said earlier, my job conduct won't change until UAL changes. There are no WORDS that will persuade me, no pleas for loyalty, no rally cries for 'the good of the company', or rhetoric about focusing on the future and ignoring rear view mirrors. I'm a reasonable, big picture guy - but UAL management 'created' me over past decade plus, so now they have to deal with it.
I'll continue to do my job and enforce my contract as I have been doing.
10-04-2015, 09:52 AM
#32
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,071
Would be a shame if the responses on the new "we want to hear from you website" reads like the double lip speak we've come to enjoy on pravdatogether.
Last edited by SpecialTracking; 10-04-2015 at 10:05 AM.
10-04-2015, 11:43 AM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: 747 Captain, retired
Posts: 928
What do you consider meaningful? I curious.
10-04-2015, 01:33 PM
#34
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 846
Don't know the man, but I would guess he was a PE guy, based in CLE and was a strong supporter of Fred if not a FOF. Surprised you would ask me this question. Why didn't you ask him?
BTW - wearing the pin on the tie and paying dues is enough as long as you don't try to undermine ALPA(the pilots) for personal gain.
10-05-2015, 05:31 AM
#35
(retired)
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Position: Old, retired, healthy, debt-free, liquid
Posts: 422
Probably because you have much higher entertainment value than an old (65+), boring, retired captain such as myself...just guessin'...ever hung out with really old people before?...yeecchh...
Seriously, you have to understand the negotiating environment in which one operates. You can't wish it into something it is not, nor can you go back. The deregulated genie is out of the bottle...it has just taken a lot of people a long time to adjust to it. The elimination of government price supports unleashed powerful, powerful market forces.
Having said that, pilots are in a relatively decent (relative to deregulation) negotiating environment with the exception of the continued oversupply of pilot labor at the larger companies and deathly fierce competition. That may change over time. I wish you the best.
Seriously, you have to understand the negotiating environment in which one operates. You can't wish it into something it is not, nor can you go back. The deregulated genie is out of the bottle...it has just taken a lot of people a long time to adjust to it. The elimination of government price supports unleashed powerful, powerful market forces.
Having said that, pilots are in a relatively decent (relative to deregulation) negotiating environment with the exception of the continued oversupply of pilot labor at the larger companies and deathly fierce competition. That may change over time. I wish you the best.
10-05-2015, 02:47 PM
#36
Banned
Joined APC: May 2014
Position: Tom’s Whipping boy.
Posts: 1,182
I think we all get your message, you had a $itty career. Now for the question - what makes you think the current pilots should expect more of the same. It's possible, had you been a little more vocal and not so fearful to encouraged your fellow pilots not to roll over for these conditions we wouldn't have to fight this fight today.
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
I found it! From the FAQ's;
Can I block posts, emails and messages from specific users?
If there are particular members that bother you and you do not want to see their posts or receive Private Messages and Emails from them, then you can add these members to your 'Ignore List'. There are several ways to do this:
Through your User Control Panel: User CP, Settings & Options, Edit Ignore List. Then, type their name into the empty text box and click 'Okay'.
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