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10-02-2015, 10:17 AM
#11
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not off to good start...
CHICAGO, Oct. 2, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- United Airlines' [NYSE: UAL] labor woes continue as talks with International Brotherhood of Teamsters-represented aviation maintenance technicians and related workers stalled today.
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"We hoped to see a change in the airline's attitude toward its workers under the new leadership of CEO Oscar Munoz, but that has yet to be seen," Griswold said.
The Teamsters Airline Division represents 9,000 aircraft maintenance technicians and related workers at United Airlines, and over 80,000 workers in the aviation industry.
CHICAGO, Oct. 2, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- United Airlines' [NYSE: UAL] labor woes continue as talks with International Brotherhood of Teamsters-represented aviation maintenance technicians and related workers stalled today.
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"We hoped to see a change in the airline's attitude toward its workers under the new leadership of CEO Oscar Munoz, but that has yet to be seen," Griswold said.
The Teamsters Airline Division represents 9,000 aircraft maintenance technicians and related workers at United Airlines, and over 80,000 workers in the aviation industry.
10-02-2015, 10:55 AM
#12
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Tech Ops and Inflight will eventually settle approximately where everybody else is at that point in time...or there is not likely to be a settlement any time soon.
Further consolidation (very unlikely) could ease the competitive pressure, but everything changed about 37 years ago. It has been a multi-decade adjustment.
Quite difficult for many of us who experienced it for the largest part of a career. Things change...nothing remains the same.
Further consolidation (very unlikely) could ease the competitive pressure, but everything changed about 37 years ago. It has been a multi-decade adjustment.
Quite difficult for many of us who experienced it for the largest part of a career. Things change...nothing remains the same.
10-02-2015, 11:24 AM
#13
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Tech Ops and Inflight will eventually settle approximately where everybody else is at that point in time...or there is not likely to be a settlement any time soon.
Further consolidation (very unlikely) could ease the competitive pressure, but everything changed about 37 years ago. It has been a multi-decade adjustment.
Quite difficult for many of us who experienced it for the largest part of a career. Things change...nothing remains the same.
Further consolidation (very unlikely) could ease the competitive pressure, but everything changed about 37 years ago. It has been a multi-decade adjustment.
Quite difficult for many of us who experienced it for the largest part of a career. Things change...nothing remains the same.
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
10-02-2015, 12:09 PM
#14
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I think we all get your message, you had a $itty career. Now for the question - what makes you think the current pilots should expect more of the same. It's possible, had you been a little more vocal and not so fearful to encouraged your fellow pilots not to roll over for these conditions we wouldn't have to fight this fight today.
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
Unless the industry competition diminishes and the over-supply of pilot labor is reduced, there isn't likely to be much change. While it makes for great theatre writing tough on an anonymous blog board, the market forces unleashed by the ADA of 1978 do control. Individual class labor has very little to do with it at this point in time.
10-02-2015, 12:29 PM
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Here is my rock solid prediction: there will be a recession of some-sort in the next 50 years.
10-02-2015, 02:38 PM
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Position: 747 Captain, retired
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I think we all get your message, you had a $itty career. Now for the question - what makes you think the current pilots should expect more of the same. It's possible, had you been a little more vocal and not so fearful to encouraged your fellow pilots not to roll over for these conditions we wouldn't have to fight this fight today.
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
10-02-2015, 02:43 PM
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So many children, so few socialized adults...it gets worse with time.
Unless the industry competition diminishes and the over-supply of pilot labor is reduced, there isn't likely to be much change. While it makes for great theatre writing tough on an anonymous blog board, the market forces unleashed by the ADA of 1978 do control. Individual class labor has very little to do with it at this point in time.
Unless the industry competition diminishes and the over-supply of pilot labor is reduced, there isn't likely to be much change. While it makes for great theatre writing tough on an anonymous blog board, the market forces unleashed by the ADA of 1978 do control. Individual class labor has very little to do with it at this point in time.
You want to call the current pilots children, preach doom and gloom. What is it you expect to get out of the constant degrading of the pilot group. It's likely you miss the Lorenzo days or the friends of Fred telling you what and how to think. You're retired!
You seem to hide under the same anonymity you detest.
RUPA - https://www.rupa.org/home.html
UAL Pilots Forum - ? Index page
If you want to give some meaningful advise, out of the closet, then either of these sites will do you well.
Last edited by AllenAllert; 10-02-2015 at 02:54 PM.
10-02-2015, 02:49 PM
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Is that 50/50 chance in the next quarter or the next twenty years or so? A rock solid timeline is needed to back up your assertion that this "recession" will impact the ongoing labor negotiations.
Here is my rock solid prediction: there will be a recession of some-sort in the next 50 years.
Here is my rock solid prediction: there will be a recession of some-sort in the next 50 years.
How about 2016?
There is no such thing as a "rock solid" time line, when predicting economic cycles.
10-02-2015, 02:51 PM
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No, usually worse. In his case, he's retired and I'd be willing to bet he did nothing meaningful for the pilot group before retiring. Why is he trying to sell the hopeless mindset he likely worked under to the current pilot group.
10-02-2015, 02:53 PM
#20
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I think we all get your message, you had a $itty career. Now for the question - what makes you think the current pilots should expect more of the same. It's possible, had you been a little more vocal and not so fearful to encouraged your fellow pilots not to roll over for these conditions we wouldn't have to fight this fight today.
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
Meantime, we all know the history of aviation and what you guys didn't do for the profession. You helped screw it up and it's our turn to try fix it. SO, PLEASE!
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