Smisek was not the problem
09-16-2015, 03:36 PM
#11
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Snarky crap from both sides is just snarky crap. I am tired of the bad attitudes and negative comments. Its just not constructive. Frankly its pathetic. Lets move on and make it better. Identify the problem, look for solutions and try to avoid being the problem. Be professional. Wear the right wings (goes for both sides). We are now one big labor group. Like it or not we are in this for the long haul. Lets make it a good one.
09-16-2015, 04:24 PM
#12
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Yes we had shrunk post 9/11. Went through a nasty BK and emerged more financially sound. Just like CAL did twice. What's your point? The author is making some true statements that the management team was in over their heads in dealing with a combined company more than twice the size that they'd ever operated and were not prepared to handle it.
09-16-2015, 04:31 PM
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This place as we all know needs a senior management team who possess the capability and desire to operate a major airline as a customer service entity. Secondly, the management team, middle and upper need a paradigm shift in how they interact with and motivate employees. Third, the silos need to come down.
A perfect example, why are the flight attendants afraid to tell the gate "not" to board when the aircraft is 85+° and the pilot's aren't onboard?
A perfect example, why are the flight attendants afraid to tell the gate "not" to board when the aircraft is 85+° and the pilot's aren't onboard?
09-16-2015, 06:32 PM
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I've said it before, the only reason United is doing ok is that DL, AA and SW have not launched a major competition plan to increase capacity on competing routes.
sleeves, your biggest problem is believing the stuff you dream up instead of accepting the facts.
09-17-2015, 05:55 AM
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It's possible a bit of reality come home to roost when he called CAL a regional airline with poor management. He put the blame squarely where it belongs on an inept management team using systems and methods that should have been abandoned forthe more capable LUAL stuff.
I've said it before, the only reason United is doing ok is that DL, AA and SW have not launched a major competition plan to increase capacity on competing routes.
sleeves, your biggest problem is believing the stuff you dream up instead of accepting the facts.
I've said it before, the only reason United is doing ok is that DL, AA and SW have not launched a major competition plan to increase capacity on competing routes.
sleeves, your biggest problem is believing the stuff you dream up instead of accepting the facts.
Opening letters in April 2016, right????
09-17-2015, 07:38 AM
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Not intended to be classy or unifying. Just summarizing the initial post to the thread for the gentleman. He seems to lose focus after about the first paragraph.
BTW, we lost the opportunity for unity on day one, but we can still put a good face on it.
09-17-2015, 07:18 PM
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It's possible a bit of reality come home to roost when he called CAL a regional airline with poor management. He put the blame squarely where it belongs on an inept management team using systems and methods that should have been abandoned forthe more capable LUAL stuff.
I've said it before, the only reason United is doing ok is that DL, AA and SW have not launched a major competition plan to increase capacity on competing routes.
sleeves, your biggest problem is believing the stuff you dream up instead of accepting the facts.
I've said it before, the only reason United is doing ok is that DL, AA and SW have not launched a major competition plan to increase capacity on competing routes.
sleeves, your biggest problem is believing the stuff you dream up instead of accepting the facts.
09-18-2015, 05:25 PM
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The reality is that LCAL was successful with good MGT. When they looked at merging with you our good MGT said NO we would rather quit. You have not had decent MGT for decades. Why?? Because smart MGT wants nothing to do with this toxic environment. We are now tied to the titanic. That is reality. Those are the facts.
Sleeves I clearly remember a long layover in SFO in early April of 2010. I was out to dinner with two other crews, and we had all known each other for a long time. The topic of conversation that night was the news that had broken earlier in the day. The news was that UAL was in deep merger negotiations with USAirways. So much for any chance of a CAL merger being revived we figured. Obviously, Glen was serious about moving on. Given all of the previous work that had been done on a USair deal, we figured this was going to happen fast. Remember, this is already pushing two years since DAL/NWA.
That weekend, Glen was tending to his horses on his Santa Fe ranch when Jeff called. He begged him not to marry the "ugly girl." Tilton reversed course, and the rest was history.
Evidently, your management team was not comfortable with CAL and AAL being the last two legacy carriers standing alone. With major overlaps in NY, Latin / South America, and two large hubs close together in Texas, that seems understandable.
If you would have rather gone down that road, then just say so. I'm sure you would have been thrilled with APA.
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