Regularguy

With 1,000s of hours on 767 & 757 I always use flaps 30 and auto brakes 3 no matter what the situation. Doing it any other way would require I think about the situation.

Oh and who cares what the FM and the FOM say because they are just "guidelines" anyway. Besides which only "weak" sticks use them as a crutch for their lack of skill and airmanship.

ugleeual

I use auto brakes all the time (like FM indicates) and 30 or 25 flaps dependent on the runway and conditions (like FM indicates). 25 is harder to land in the zone which is probably why lessor skilled pilots use 30 all situations. ��

Dave Fitzgerald

Ok, that is why we have judgement. If I were still flying the 767-300's, in my judgement, a 25 flap landing is much less safe than 30, and WE would not be doing 25 flaps in the 767-300. Newsflash, TK puts lots of things that are less safe in the manuals because flt ops tells them to and it saves money.

Don't believe everything in the books. Use some of that judgement.

Scrappy

I wouldn't feel uncomfortable in the least. As I said earlier he would be flying, I'd be slinging gear and manning the radios....SpecialTracking.

SpecialTracking

Goodluck is about all I can say.

baseball

I saw that. This discussion on brakes has morphed into flaps too.

I would estimate that we are going to use more runway if we come in with a higher approach speed.

I would prefer to:
A. use less runway as a rule of thumb
B. have a more predictable and consistent deck angle/sight picture
C. Only change this if gusty conditions dictate
D. work the brakes less as a rule of thumb by flying a slower approach speed.
E. minimize risks of tail strike as a rule of thumb

How many gallons per approach from the final approach fix to wheel touchdown are we talking about in a flaps 25 vs. a flaps 30 landing? How many more feet of runway do we use? how many more decibels in volume results from a flaps 30 landing vs. a flaps 25 landing?

The airline is so worried about saving fuel to save money........YO YO. Hey Jeff, what about all the flight cancellations and the real bafoonery and inefficiency in the airline? what about dispatch reliability? what about MX reliability? I would prefer that the bean counters stay out of our flight decks and out of our training department. We don't want the bean counters influencing the way we train for the sake of saving pennies.

In many places we fly we need to nominate turn offs, accurately predict turn offs, and fly into some places with short runways. I really like to have a feel for what the airplane can do so I can predict these things. If it looks like I have that turnoff "made" I can always ease up on braking and/or reverse, but the opposite is most certainly not true......

baseball

I think one of the reasons there are so many concerns with tail strikes on the 737 is all the various makes and models that pilots fly.

All have different lengths and all have different landing characteristics. All give pilots a different sight picture.

Pretty soon, our pilots will be flying a combined fleet type of

B757 200 and 300
B767 300 and 400


Do we still have any tail strike concerns?

About a year ago I flew a 767 400. totally different feel and deck angle. I only get to fly one about once a year. Now I fly 767 300 about half the time. My landings in that fleet are pretty consistent, but when I go out and fly a 757 200 and a 300 it takes a few legs to get comfortable again.

I think it's all about the sight picture for me. I really like to keep a consistent deck angle as it helps me get a predictable touch down point. It is nice to be able to keep it in the touch down zone by helping me keep a consistent flare picture.

Not sure if the TK people are thinking about that, but the minimization of tail strikes, shorter roll outs/prevention of runway overruns, to me would be more prudent concerns than saving a few gallons of fuel.

We fly too many fleet types for this "technique" in my opinion.

Scrappy

Uh, not sure what I have done wrong, but thanks buddy. You too!

syd111

You do realize you are wasting your time with this. lol

SpecialTracking

Yes I do...