fanaticalflyer

Just have to love voice dictation. I have something written about "beauty" time when I was talking about duty time.

Anyhow. To re clarify. I have a 5 day trip, then a 1 day, then a 7 day. Nowhere in the first 7 days do I see an apparent 30 hours off in the past 168 hrs. Now day 7 is a DH which is the first day of a 7 day. I turned it into a fake DH so not sure if our wonderful UAL software is looking at it differently. I think the original deadhead times should still apply. The longest stretch of hours I have off is 25 hours in the first 7 days of the 13 day stretch of days. What am I missing. I will call ALPA hotline once I start the one day trip. I assume if there is an error, then the 7 day trip gets dropped with pay protection. They won't be able to repair the 7 day trip to catch me up to it once I'm legal. Hope that helps.

cowsgomoo

I have a feeling that you just provided the missing puzzle piece. All you do on day 7 is a DH deviation. I'm a United newb, but I think I figured out pretty fast after a deviation went awry that deviation time is not duty time. It's "your" time, even though you're on positive space travel.

It's rather murky, and I personally don't like it, but I believe this is how deviations are treated. I think the reason the computer system isn't flagging your schedule as illegal is because you're not showing any duty time between the end of the SRM trip and day 2 of your 7-day. I suspect if you asked someone at the scheduling desk this is what they would say.

fanaticalflyer

Unfortunately for scheduling that isn't true. At the end of a trip I have many times deviated home a day early but the original DH time was used for legalities in scheduling me for my next trip. Even though I was home a day earlier, they still needed 12+45 min rest time before being able to do my next trip. That's for scheduling. But somewhere, they have to follow some rule to determine proper rest. They can't go by your fake DH. There is definitely a look back provision but not sure how it's being properly applied. Hoping there are ALPA reps at Chicago bldg on SAT.

TenYearsGone

30 hour break in 168 could be part of a layover. The company is supposed to tell you ahead of time as well, if not part of layover. They cant look back and say," you had 30 hours off, you are good to go". They need to tell you of your rest before-hand.

TEN

fanaticalflyer

Got an answer from ALPA and company. Short story: Once you change a DH to a fake DH, then that original DH does not count - "You essentially become a commuter for FAR purposes". Also a DH on the end of a pairing does not count toward your duty period if it follows a flight, but it does affect the duty period with flying segments that follow it.

A fake DH has no bearing on anything unless you are trying to pick up a flight or get assigned a flight that follows the fake DH. FAA has to have something to correlate the duty period and min rest period with and they go the most conservative route and use the originally scheduled DH times.

That seems odd they have to use the originally scheduled DH times at the end of a pairing for Fake DHs but do not have to do the same if the fake DH's are preceding a trip.

Tank21

Reserve time off question that I can't find in the contract:

How much time off between reserve periods are you authorized? I am sitting reserve Oct 27th - 29th, have off the 30th and then sitting reserve again Oct 31st - Nov 2nd. Was wondering if 1 day (Oct 30th) is all is required per the contract to have off between the two reserve periods?

Thanks.

Firsttimeflyer

You need 30 hours off in 168 hour look back. Use 1800 on the 26th as your start time since you are supposed to check your schedule then.

In your bid did you allow for a single day off block in your first group? I'm not even sure if that would apply as I thought it was 1 day between your first two reserve blocks, but somebody more in the know can clarify that one.

But yes as far as I understand what you have on your schedule, it is legal.
Now if you work a 3 day at the end of October and finish late on the 29th, then watch that 30/168 closely, they could give you more of the day on the 31 off which would be unlikely or watch it closely on the 2nd.