Vacancy Bid
07-09-2015, 02:58 PM
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Can anyone explain in a concise way that's easy for new guy to understand how this "new" 756 bid for SFO/ORD is supposed to work? I read it to mean UA needs 30 more positions on top of what they already have staffed in the 76T at each of those locations...but I guess it's more complicated than that.
More specifically I mean, aren't all the 76T folks just going to be converted to the 756 in general? I guess it has something to do with only 50% can be forced to and the rest need to bid 756 if they want to stay there? IF that's the case, then this vacancy bid could possibly, in effect, have no vacancies at all since 30 current 76T people could just bid over to the 756? And then there would be no back-fills to the 76T since it is "closed." Some 76T folks are showing up on the 756 bid on snap 1. This just seems to skew the numbers and I'm thoroughly confused...which is easy to do I guess.
More specifically I mean, aren't all the 76T folks just going to be converted to the 756 in general? I guess it has something to do with only 50% can be forced to and the rest need to bid 756 if they want to stay there? IF that's the case, then this vacancy bid could possibly, in effect, have no vacancies at all since 30 current 76T people could just bid over to the 756? And then there would be no back-fills to the 76T since it is "closed." Some 76T folks are showing up on the 756 bid on snap 1. This just seems to skew the numbers and I'm thoroughly confused...which is easy to do I guess.
07-09-2015, 03:10 PM
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Can anyone explain in a concise way that's easy for new guy to understand how this "new" 756 bid for SFO/ORD is supposed to work? I read it to mean UA needs 30 more positions on top of what they already have staffed in the 76T at each of those locations...but I guess it's more complicated than that.
More specifically I mean, aren't all the 76T folks just going to be converted to the 756 in general? I guess it has something to do with only 50% can be forced to and the rest need to bid 756 if they want to stay there? IF that's the case, then this vacancy bid could possibly, in effect, have no vacancies at all since 30 current 76T people could just bid over to the 756? And then there would be no back-fills to the 76T since it is "closed." Some 76T folks are showing up on the 756 bid on snap 1. This just seems to skew the numbers and I'm thoroughly confused...which is easy to do I guess.
More specifically I mean, aren't all the 76T folks just going to be converted to the 756 in general? I guess it has something to do with only 50% can be forced to and the rest need to bid 756 if they want to stay there? IF that's the case, then this vacancy bid could possibly, in effect, have no vacancies at all since 30 current 76T people could just bid over to the 756? And then there would be no back-fills to the 76T since it is "closed." Some 76T folks are showing up on the 756 bid on snap 1. This just seems to skew the numbers and I'm thoroughly confused...which is easy to do I guess.
Another nice thing about it being a new category is that it ignores training freezes so basically anyone can get awarded if their seniority holds it.
Hope that helps.
07-09-2015, 03:16 PM
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It's "new" because there is only a 76T base in ORD and SFO. The 76T fleet is going away. All the planes are being converted to "756". They need the lift with those planes so they're starting to staff it. In theory yes all could come from the 76T fleet, but it's an open bid so those awards are strickly by seniority. They won't be backfilling to the 76T no. It's a dead fleet. You can't even bump to it if you're displaced. The more 76T pilots who bid the 756 the less the company needs to involuntarily BAT over later.
Another nice thing about it being a new category is that it ignores training freezes so basically anyone can get awarded if their seniority holds it.
Hope that helps.
Another nice thing about it being a new category is that it ignores training freezes so basically anyone can get awarded if their seniority holds it.
Hope that helps.
07-09-2015, 03:21 PM
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Yes. It would save them a ton in training costs since it's only a few days differences training to go between the fleets.
07-09-2015, 05:38 PM
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07-09-2015, 06:08 PM
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6. Should there be insufficient bidders from one premerger pilot group for any position in the allocated group of positions under paragraph 5 above, the filling of the position will be governed by the ISL. A pilot thereby awarded a position will, for purposes of processing future displacements under the collective bargaining agreement,
be considered as junior to all pilots from the premerger pilot group entitled to the position. Notwithstanding the awarding of positions pursuant to this insufficient bidders provision, the restrictions set out in paragraph 5 above shall continue to apply during the terms specified in paragraph 5 above.
6. Should there be insufficient bidders from one premerger pilot group for any position in the allocated group of positions under paragraph 5 above, the filling of the position will be governed by the ISL. A pilot thereby awarded a position will, for purposes of processing future displacements under the collective bargaining agreement,
be considered as junior to all pilots from the premerger pilot group entitled to the position. Notwithstanding the awarding of positions pursuant to this insufficient bidders provision, the restrictions set out in paragraph 5 above shall continue to apply during the terms specified in paragraph 5 above.
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