Scrappy

Valid and fact based?

He makes a broad brush statement and then states he had one instructor replaced...one...and that is valid and "fact based??" Sorry, sounds very subjective and not objective IMO.

Everyone has their own levels of comfort, I respect that. I went through the almighty TK recently and I've been through Houston as well. Both were good programs and both had a couple of weaker instructors and some great instructors. Both were very similar IMO. In the end, I learned a lot from both and enjoyed them.

That's my valid and "fact-based" opinion.

oldmako

Fair enough. My statement wasn't really aimed at you, but yours was a good retort. I've just really grown tired of the carping going on here and the other forum. Both are a poor indictment of where the combined group is, years after the merger. I'm trying to lower my expectations in advance for the next TA as a result. Sorry if I ruffled your feathers.

jetlink

AA contract was design to be supper inefficient for AA, so APA can have more pilots on the property. Example; B757, B767 separate fleets, international and domestic flying based on seniority. Sometimes you have to ask yourself is this makes sense? Many pilots are conservative and advocate against government inefficiency, unnecessary stuffing, wasteful spending, pushing for competition driven approach to government; however, when it comes to their own turf, majority becomes worst then chairman of polit-bureau in Soviet Union; becoming active union members, protectionists, etc, totally opposite to their own political views. We have to always seek for a healthy balance; an airline that operates profitably and efficiently, and shares portion of their profits with people that makes it happens. Upper management will always find ways to balance the books, all they have to do is declare Ch.13. and furlough, cut contracts. Overstuffing the airlines, just because times are good and we can push for it, is unfair to junior pilots hired at the tail end, giving them false hopes for careers that does not exist. Contracts should always have some wiggle room and be flexible enough to manage through tough times, allowing to manage and protect jobs. I'll probably get flamed for that, but what's the point of free and open discussion if we can speak our minds.

Scrappy

No feathers ruffled here. I just think your statement was disenguine...there was obviously no "fact basis" on the prior post and it was a blatant broad brush statement. All subjection, no objection. Lots of emotion, little fact or substance. Everyone responds to different training with different levels of succession. I tend to like learning more on my own initially and ask questions after (more like Houston). Some like more classroom instruction (ala TK). And don't even get me started on the haenious 1980s 76T CBTs they have at TK (which are actually incorrect and not updated) on certain systems. Now that is agregious...and that is definitely "fact based."

Airhoss

There will be no more Houston training center in a couple of years and the 76T is fast disappearing. Once all training is consolidated there will be a more uniform method across fleets. Right now the edges are frazzled.

CousinEddie

Agreed. The APA contract was an example of manpower positive. CAL 2002 and any of BK contracts were manpower negative. Andy seems to think that pilots were continuously and deliberately behaving in a way that kept him on the street. I don't agree with him. Sorry he feels that way.

Scrappy

I'd say EXTREMELY frazzled on the 76T and their academics at TK. However not at all the lual pilot's fault and I get that. And not taking away from the quality instructors. Both at TK on the 76T and on the 737 at Houston.

sleeves

I am trying to take what you said at face value.... You stated you were hazed and harassed. I asked for examples as that is a pretty big statement and unacceptable if true.

sleeves

You reap what you sow comes to mind. It seems that hacking on anything or anyone LCAL is fair game around here but any retort is clearly not welcome and meet with a unity lecture.

duvie

Subjectively and slightly hyperbolically speaking, I enjoyed my time at both north and south, but the training center in IAH felt a little more like sink or swim and Denver was a little too spoon fed. YMMV