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Old 07-14-2015, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by propfails2FX
Appreciate that.

Just wanted to throw some facts into the discussion, and provided context for people to understand what "Good" and "Bad" flying is all about.

I'm excited about new hires getting LAX out of training. That's pretty cool. It's also neat to see that I could be 74% IAD 756 FO. Whoa....that happened fast.

Now if I could only figure out PBS! Watched the ALPA "Bidding Below the G Line" video. Hope it works. I'm super junior in LAX. Will find out Saturday morning.

In case any potential new hire has slogged through the bickering on this thread and wants to know, bids are awarded on 0001 on the 18th. I just don't know what 0001 it is. Eastern? Not sure, it's there in the morning when I wake up.

I'll end this with an invitation to share a Guppy study plan for any new hires with a break between BI and sim training. For any non-FMC military pilots.....holy cow, training is no joke. There is an expectation that you already know how to fly airliners.
Its central time....the bids have to be published by then per the contract but they are usually in on the afternoon of the 17th. If you go to PBS and CAT awards you can scroll down to your category and get them a little earlier.
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Originally Posted by sleeves
Pretty sure that is exactly what Andy is doing! The behavior of picking up open time, time that would have gone to a guy on the street, if it were not for someone padding their check.
I recall an American pilot pointing out post 2002 that AA management had told APA that if they had the 2002 CAL contract at American, they could operate AA with about 1,000 fewer pilots.

No need for you to jump in on this Sleeves, given the contract you operated under that wasn't even the result of the CH11 process.

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Old 07-14-2015, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by worstpilotever
Its central time....the bids have to be published by then per the contract but they are usually in on the afternoon of the 17th. If you go to PBS and CAT awards you can scroll down to your category and get them a little earlier.
Good gouge. Thanks!

Still learning. I now know that those two holes in the window frame are pen holders......only because a fellow FO left a pen in one.

DO NOT leave dinner trays on the cockpit luggage rack! You will forget, and it will get messy when auto brakes 3 kick in.

An intercom ding just after level off means it's cold in the back.

"Oxygen, Checked set 100%" is a good cue to make sure the mic switch isn't still in mask. Which it is half of the time.

DO NOT call O'hare ground at South Port. DEFINITELY don't call twice!

Let the jet line itself up with the runway in the wee hours of the morning.

Flaps beat the speed brake. Dangling the Dunlops trumps all.

If you're number one on the radar downwind, you're about to get slam dunked.

Flying fast to get home to LAX early = "Hotel short of 25R at Uniform, you're gate is occupied."

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Old 07-14-2015, 11:45 PM
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Totally missed my point....Hazing and harrassment are unprofessional...that is what I was talking about.
Answered your two assertions about hazing/harassment and having to self teach. Addressed both, and disagree completely about hazing. If CBT is self taught then you have a point, but days of classroom instruction on every system are gone.
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Old 07-15-2015, 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
I recall an American pilot pointing out post 2002 that AA management had told APA that if they had the 2002 CAL contract at American, they could operate AA with about 1,000 fewer pilots.

No need for you to jump in on this Sleeves, given the contract you operated under that wasn't even the result of the CH11 process.
Not sure what that has to do with guys picking up open time with guys on furlough. At LCAL we did a good job of VRF lines, and mitigating furloughs in other ways. We also had our share of guys flying fat lines and complaining about paying insurance benefits for the furloughed guys. The later were usually scabs or son of scabs.
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Old 07-15-2015, 03:59 AM
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Totally missed my point....Hazing and harrassment are unprofessional...that is what I was talking about.
Yes it is unacceptable....any examples to back up your claim of abuse? I have been on the 73 fleet years and never seen any of it.
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
Yes it is unacceptable....any examples to back up your claim of abuse? I have been on the 73 fleet years and never seen any of it.
I did not intend my post as a slight to the admirable men and women on the 737 fleet (Which there are many). The intent was to warn any newer folks that the Houston training center ( more appropriately the "evaluation center) was not an experience to be taken lightly...come prepared to do battle! To dragon...who still seems to think I need bucking up and a dose of (unnecessary) advice, the 737 is not my 1st fleet at this company, but is certainly administered differently than the others. We should be united as one pilot group, one airline and One training method. Time will sort all of this out I am sure.

pls know that I am united with all of our pilots in making this the best possible work place for our future.
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bigfatdaddy
I did not intend my post as a slight to the admirable men and women on the 737 fleet (Which there are many). The intent was to warn any newer folks that the Houston training center ( more appropriately the "evaluation center) was not an experience to be taken lightly...come prepared to do battle! To dragon...who still seems to think I need bucking up and a dose of (unnecessary) advice, the 737 is not my 1st fleet at this company, but is certainly administered differently than the others. We should be united as one pilot group, one airline and One training method. Time will sort all of this out I am sure.

pls know that I am united with all of our pilots in making this the best possible work place for our future.
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You said you were Hazed and Harassed! Then you call the people who apparently did this to you admirable? Then you claim you were only evaluated and not trained? Why do you admire the instructors if they abused you? Please give examples of your mistreatment. I am all for getting all of us the best training possible.
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Old 07-15-2015, 07:40 AM
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That is not what I said at all.....the incidents were dealt with....union called....instructor replaced....done. You can take what I posted at face value, or insert your own bias.
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BFD,

Some here are spring loaded to assume that ANY critique, no mater how valid and fact based, is a direct affront to the pilots of LCAL. Roll with it, you jumbonaut brain surgeon you. Just go choke the goose and destroy the airline.

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