Blockoutblockin

A flushing of every CP office would be very positive.

MXDUDE

"leaders". Now that's funny!

Birddog

The resolution below was passed by C-171. It requests displacement "grandfather rights" be set to a period of 12 months. It's also grants these expanded "grandfather rights" to only flying returned to a base.

It and the original resolution at the beginning of this thread will be both forwarded to the MEC.

Dogg



SUBJECT: UPA 8-C-6 GRANDFATHER RIGHTS

SOURCE AND DATE SUBMITTED:

LEC 171 July 8, 2015


WHEREAS, the company has commenced another round of "base rebalancing" to align base staffing levels with the planned levels of flying, and

WHEREAS, the company's historical manpower planning has been poor resulting in a continual change of plans which negatively impacts the quality of life of United pilots,

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the members of Council 171 direct the officers of Council 171 to use all available resources to obtain a modification to UPA Section 8-C-6 that would extend "grandfather rights" from 120 days to 12 months for any pilot displaced from their position, and

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, these "grandfather rights" will only apply to flying returned to the displaced category. Vacancies resulting from attrition, including retirements, LTD, pilots bidding out of the category, etc., will not invoke these protections and will be filled using normal UPA Section 8-C-5 vacancy procedures. If there are vacancies in an affected category during the 12 month time period, the SSC will determine if those vacancies are a result of attrition or an actual return of flying to the category.

AllenAllert

This will likely meet the same fate of Ben's last carve-out attempt. It's a different way of asking for the same carve-out. It's a special deal for the junior Houston 737 pilots.

Tell us Ben -
What other base and pilots would be affected and would benefit by your "super seniority scream" in the foreseeable future?

Should we revise our contract downward to counteract and fix all the dumb decisions made by the company that impacts the pilots going forward?

Why not work to get the company to make better decisions that impact pilots instead of continuing this CAL vs UAL divide.

jsled

This is awesome. When I get bumped out of my recently acquired DEN 737 CAP, I'll be sure to bid IAH 737 CAP. That way, when I get bumped out of IAH, I'll have grandfather rights to BOTH. yippee.
This resolution is going nowhere...hey Ben....get in line baby...the seniority line.

Probe

Here, here.

Birddog

Actually, I believe Ben didn't get to read this resolution until the day of the meeting. He was not at the meeting for the flooring of the resolution or the vote as he had to leave early. This resolution was written by a former L-UA pilot as a compromise. MOU 14 was wrong and two wrongs don't make a right but this resolution basically functions like MOU 14. If flying returns the displaced pilots have a right to that flying as in MOU 14. I could actually argue the rights should last 24 months and then the resolution would function identically to MOU 14.

By reactions on both sides it probably is a good compromise resolution.

Dogg

AllenAllert

Let me ask Birdie, did Ben have a more important meeting with the Houston CP?

This resolution may function like MOU 14 but it is not the same. MOU 14 was very specific about base opening and closing. The resolution you and Ben are proposing has far greater implications.

The current 120 days is more than adequate. Any extension is a concession to the company and the total pilot group gets nothing in return. It's unfortunate the company has been making some DUMB decisions regarding pilot allocations and let's not give them another tool to make it easier. This resolution will allow them to continue to treat United pilots like widgets without regard to their QOL.

As far as Ben trying to disassociate himself with this resolution and you trying to make it all inclusive by stating a L-UA guy authored it, here's a big BS. (What happened Ben you worried about your political future)

Again, Ben and HIS Houston CP put this deal together. Ben has already negotiated his deal with the company without the support or guidance of the United MEC. The past practices Ben learned under the old CAL ALPA leadership are over and Ben needs to stop working with the company to continue the divide between the pilots groups.

GoCats67

This idea is one that would put us square in line with the phrase unintended consequences.

Fast forward to the future with this new rule in place:

UCH decides to decrease the flying on aircraft type "A" and grow flying on aircraft type "B" because of seasonal demand. Type "B" is the next lower paying aircraft, so when the pilots are displaced from "A" they go to "B". 6 months later the seasonal demand causes UCH to increase the flying on type "A" and decrease the flying on type "B". Because of the new rule the pilots with grandfather rights return to "A" and need only 5 days of training. (gone off of aircraft less than 12 months) UCH is very happy!!! 6 months later, due to seasonal demand, UCH decides to reduce the flying again on type "A" and increase the flying on type "B". The pilots are displaced and go back to "B" (keeping as much pay as they can). The pilots need only 5 days of training to go back to aircraft "B". (gone off of aircraft less than 12 months) UCH is even more happy!!! They have found a new way to adjust their flying with the wind and not have it cost them nearly as much as it used to, making this the new paradigm and a plan that was thought of to help a few pilots feel better when they got displaced has turned into a major give to the company that makes displacements far less costly and thus more common!

Displacements suck, I get it! Been there done that!!

Let's not make it more enticing for the company to do so, by reducing the costs.

gettinbumped

Sing it sister!!!!! This is EXACTLY right. And I've been through several bumps (hence the handle).