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06-14-2015, 09:03 PM
#371
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From Friday's update:
We plan to announce a displacement bid the middle part of next week. We expect to
displace 50 IAH 737 captains and announce the closure of the DEN 76T categories as
part of this bid. We will then analyze pilot movement before cautiously proceeding with
any additional action. As I announced on June 4, we are planning for two more
displacement bids in the IAH 737 categories following this one.
We plan to announce a displacement bid the middle part of next week. We expect to
displace 50 IAH 737 captains and announce the closure of the DEN 76T categories as
part of this bid. We will then analyze pilot movement before cautiously proceeding with
any additional action. As I announced on June 4, we are planning for two more
displacement bids in the IAH 737 categories following this one.
Amazing how out of touch some guys can be.
IE; XJT to TSA in DEN.
06-14-2015, 09:04 PM
#372
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Unfortunately, I agree.
06-15-2015, 06:44 AM
#373
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Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
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I was at a graduation party this weekend. There was a young mom attending. She got into her drinking pretty hard and her 4 year old was left to run wild. My wife and I spent the whole party protecting the little terror from drowning himself in the pool. The scenario kind of reminded of UAL management. Jeffy is the drunk mother and the misbehaved 4 year old are his minions running about disrupting peoples lives.
There is no more disillusionment for me. I always count on the fact that any light at the end of the tunnel is positively an out of control, runaway train. Sometimes it is very difficult to keep a positive attitude at this place.
But thanks for your concern anyway Howy.......
06-15-2015, 11:55 AM
#374
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
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At some seniority ranges this is 100% true, not so much for others. My whole career has been one great big mismanagement caused boondoggle after another. It's like having your career managed by a hyperactive over sugared 6 year old.
I was at a graduation party this weekend. There was a young mom attending. She got into her drinking pretty hard and her 4 year old was left to run wild. My wife and I spent the whole party protecting the little terror from drowning himself in the pool. The scenario kind of reminded of UAL management. Jeffy is the drunk mother and the misbehaved 4 year old are his minions running about disrupting peoples lives.
There is no more disillusionment for me. I always count on the fact that any light at the end of the tunnel is positively an out of control, runaway train. Sometimes it is very difficult to keep a positive attitude at this place.
But thanks for your concern anyway Howy.......
I was at a graduation party this weekend. There was a young mom attending. She got into her drinking pretty hard and her 4 year old was left to run wild. My wife and I spent the whole party protecting the little terror from drowning himself in the pool. The scenario kind of reminded of UAL management. Jeffy is the drunk mother and the misbehaved 4 year old are his minions running about disrupting peoples lives.
There is no more disillusionment for me. I always count on the fact that any light at the end of the tunnel is positively an out of control, runaway train. Sometimes it is very difficult to keep a positive attitude at this place.
But thanks for your concern anyway Howy.......
Your mistake was buying into the dream and all it entitled,.... that you won some sort of lottery by getting hired by United. It's a job, treat as such and disconnect your expectations of entitlement from the workplace and you will be a far happier man.
06-15-2015, 11:59 AM
#375
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06-15-2015, 12:00 PM
#376
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Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
You make it sound like you are the only one who has been forced to eat the crap sandwich this entire industry has been capable of serving. I've been airline flying for 25 years and was well aware of the potential dysfunction that has been happening well before I was born.
Your mistake was buying into the dream and all it entitled,.... that you won some sort of lottery by getting hired by United. It's a job, treat as such and disconnect your expectations of entitlement from the workplace and you will be a far happier man.
Your mistake was buying into the dream and all it entitled,.... that you won some sort of lottery by getting hired by United. It's a job, treat as such and disconnect your expectations of entitlement from the workplace and you will be a far happier man.
06-15-2015, 01:16 PM
#377
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You make it sound like you are the only one who has been forced to eat the crap sandwich this entire industry has been capable of serving. I've been airline flying for 25 years and was well aware of the potential dysfunction that has been happening well before I was born.
Your mistake was buying into the dream and all it entitled,.... that you won some sort of lottery by getting hired by United. It's a job, treat as such and disconnect your expectations of entitlement from the workplace and you will be a far happier man.
Your mistake was buying into the dream and all it entitled,.... that you won some sort of lottery by getting hired by United. It's a job, treat as such and disconnect your expectations of entitlement from the workplace and you will be a far happier man.
06-15-2015, 04:19 PM
#378
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They can't properly staff the place in the good times. It scares me to think what will happen when the high revenue bubble bursts. Again.
They are hiring 1000 pilots this year for some reason, and don't have the training assets to train them. In the midst of this, they are going to displace 200-300 pilots out of IAH and DEN. Then, to just kick themselves in the nuts, they are going to move the training center to ORD and have to train 80% new instructors.
Should be fun to watch, but not to live through. I think being a sim instructor could be extremely lucrative the next couple of years, although you won't be home much.
They are hiring 1000 pilots this year for some reason, and don't have the training assets to train them. In the midst of this, they are going to displace 200-300 pilots out of IAH and DEN. Then, to just kick themselves in the nuts, they are going to move the training center to ORD and have to train 80% new instructors.
Should be fun to watch, but not to live through. I think being a sim instructor could be extremely lucrative the next couple of years, although you won't be home much.
06-15-2015, 04:23 PM
#379
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They can't properly staff the place in the good times. It scares me to think what will happen when the high revenue bubble bursts. Again.
They are hiring 1000 pilots this year for some reason, and don't have the training assets to train them. In the midst of this, they are going to displace 200-300 pilots out of IAH and DEN. Then, to just kick themselves in the nuts, they are going to move the training center to ORD and have to train 80% new instructors.
Should be fun to watch, but not to live through. I think being a sim instructor could be extremely lucrative the next couple of years, although you won't be home much.
They are hiring 1000 pilots this year for some reason, and don't have the training assets to train them. In the midst of this, they are going to displace 200-300 pilots out of IAH and DEN. Then, to just kick themselves in the nuts, they are going to move the training center to ORD and have to train 80% new instructors.
Should be fun to watch, but not to live through. I think being a sim instructor could be extremely lucrative the next couple of years, although you won't be home much.
06-17-2015, 06:25 AM
#380
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Well, That's your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. While I do wear my ALPA pin, I have seen an up-tick in L CAL pilots who are now throwing them in the trash after years and years of proudly wearing them. This entire process and absolutely decimated any feelings of goodwill, and unity that were on the horizon for us. It's people like you, a young padoin learner who has yet to master the ways of the force who needs a lesson. Perhaps you should ponder Master Yoda: Fear is the path to the dark side, Fear leads to anger, and anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering.
Clearly you are suffering from the brain surgeon mindset with your "I am the gift to commercial aviation" mindset. The "all about me" syndrome is something for sure CAL never invented. We were kicked around by Debbie McCoy and Fred Abbot way too long to buy into your garbage. Meanwhile, while you're in your surgical suite....... You get it don't you? Probably not.
The pin means absolutely nothing if "fair and equitable" aren't really taken seriously by all players. You got yours right. Attaaaa-baby!
Clearly you are suffering from the brain surgeon mindset with your "I am the gift to commercial aviation" mindset. The "all about me" syndrome is something for sure CAL never invented. We were kicked around by Debbie McCoy and Fred Abbot way too long to buy into your garbage. Meanwhile, while you're in your surgical suite....... You get it don't you? Probably not.
The pin means absolutely nothing if "fair and equitable" aren't really taken seriously by all players. You got yours right. Attaaaa-baby!
) Do you even understand what you type?They only tactic left is for me to 'pretty please beg you' to unify. Should I have to do that to a highly trained professional who has the emotional stability to operate a high performance jet under stressful conditions?
Let me know if you need the codling and special ego maintenance? I mean, really, think about it. Here we are... two equal pilots. But here I am taking a role to get you from a me, me, me place to a unity place. Reconcile the origins of this social dynamic....
There are two things the Slick Ties need to reconcile.
1. Your expectations were poorly managed. C-ALPA did a number on you. They did a horrible job educating you on the process. The CAL ISL proposal as outrageous as it was had an effect that lingers. Consider if the CAL ISL proposal stapled every UAL pilot, that would factor in your thinking when the real final list came out. Think about it.. if I told you that you'd get $1000, and you end up with $100, of course you'll have a problem. That's human nature. But was the $1000 realistic??
When pilots from both legacies run the ISL through the educated process, the "I got screwed" guys look silly. How long do you carry this burden to management's benefit?
This is something only you can do for yourself.....
2. What kind of next contract do you want? Couple choices here:
The other day... two slicks ties walking to gate. They know the slick tie is a FU to every United pilot who puts the group ahead of ones self. Yet they still expect some sort of esprit de corps... shared values, etc... After the meaningless chit chat... "Where are you based?" IAH. I knew that but asked anyway. Don't worry... could've been EWR. Oh but they do love the UPA and the work rules and pay it brought..... When pilots from both legacies run the ISL through the educated process, the "I got screwed" guys look silly. How long do you carry this burden to management's benefit?
This is something only you can do for yourself.....
2. What kind of next contract do you want? Couple choices here:
a. You can pout and disengage and when the next UPA doesn't meet your (mismanaged) expectations again.. you can justify your disunity and bad attitudes. Good on ya!
OR
b. Do you want to unify and show D-ALPA how much better we can do? Is your ego more important than better pay, work rules, etc?
OR
b. Do you want to unify and show D-ALPA how much better we can do? Is your ego more important than better pay, work rules, etc?
And the choice is made... should they be chided for being offensive? Or does their offensive behavior need to be overlooked in the hopes they will come around. Who is the brain surgeon now?
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