Shrek

There is no conspiracy theory - we all just need to use the active seniority list for all vacancies since it became an official list period.

But it IS laughable that of those jr captains think that since they got the bid it wouldn't have a chance to change during the course of their careers in this industry.

Look at what reality is TODAY anything else will drive you nuts.

Probe

The company made the disastrous decision to merge the two airlines fleets right after the merger, without having contracts in place to merge the labor groups. Mostly lCAL planes into lUAL bases, although they did put some airbuses and 76T's into IAH. I think it was about 4-1 or more lCAL pilots into lUAL bases vs the opposite.

The net result was a loss of flying by the respective legacy base aircraft. 3 years of massive DHing crews, both pilots, FA's, and mechanics followed, and still continue. Just look at the PS DHers on flights between hubs. It is a disaster.

They already bumped out of DEN and ORD, with IAH to follow. They are not even close to sorting out the pilots, and have not even begun the process with the FA's.

It is a complete cluster*&^%.

I am sorry for the negative effect on the lives of IAH pilots, but this is aviation. These pilots should not have been trained in the first place. That is all water under the bridge, but now the water is flowing OVER the bridge and the effected pilots are not going to like it.

Welcome to the big leagues.

sleeves

The company does many things that are wack! I know that many on the LCAL side know that Flight Opps MGT and the Union Leadership is now almost exclusively LUAL. This combine with the angst towards (as demonstrated on this thread) the 14-02 bidders could be a reason. Even someone as "thick" as me can see the possibilities.

CousinEddie

Come on Sleeves. Do you really take anything off of this forum as indicative of the overall feeling out on the line?

I talked with a guy I knew from years ago that is today a 2005 hire in the left seat. I told him I did not want to see him bumped. Period. However, I also told him that I did not admire his endless reserve situation either. In other words, I would not trade with him.

I think that is far more representative of the attitude on the line. I for one am still not desperate to be a junior captain, as my (and many others at my seniority level) recent bids indicated.

sleeves

I doubt anyone does not see valid possibilities removing them from a JR. Position. They have a problem with someone scheming to remove them. This would remove that stigma.

SpecialTracking

When does section 6 open?

sleeves

If they are such undesirable positions, why all the angst over this protection or 14-02 in general?
Although I do agree as I have personally been avoiding anything that even goes through, let alone being based in IAH for decades.

CousinEddie

Just because you are LUAL and you don't agree with what Ben is up to in IAH doesn't mean you are "out to get" Junior LCAL captains.

I would have been opposed to a similar deal being attempted for say the DEN 320 fleet. I'm not out to get them either.

What are you preaching to the new hires you fly with anyway? Makes me wonder if they go home afterwards and dust off their Delta paperwork.

Birddog

Your conspiracy theories don't even make sense. Sure OK UAL MEC leadership is mostly former L-UA. Flight Ops I have no idea, maybe you can give me a lineup. It matters not because if you knew anything about the company you work for you'd know that Flight Ops has little to do with manning decisions like this. Network Planning decides the routes and aircraft headed by Brian Znotins (L-CA). Then the NOC puts the pilots where they are supposed to be headed by Tracy Lee (L-CA). The person immediately responsible for this is Herve Lavenant (L-CA). So Brian, Tracy and Herve are going to team up with with the L-UA dominated UAL MEC to stick it to the junior IAH 737 CAs? Right, I'm sure they conspire like this all the time.

Let me tell you about the 14-02 bidders. Hang on. Nobody cares. L-UA pilots don't care about that stuff. The only time it comes up is when cry babies like yourself come up with these fantastic conspiracies theories and you need to attempt to substantiate them.

You really need to seek professional help.

Dogg

sleeves

About IAH? I have been telling people for years to move down to IAH. You can buy a huge house for 200,000 ...and sell it 10 years later for 160,000.

If you are insinuating people are leaving here for Delta to avoid me.... I think I did them a favor.