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Old 05-13-2015, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by guppyflyer
IAH Chief Pilot's Update.....using it for wx not approved, for gate info is.
Classic!!! Puts out a memo that we can use wifi for gate info. Info that we can already get from acars. But whatever you do, don't look at where is the aircraft currently page.

Best thing to do is kindly make a PA asking passengers to pass up a screenshot of the weather so the pilots know which way to deviate.
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Old 05-13-2015, 11:39 AM
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BTW, above post was "2172". Hat's off to you ladies and gentlemen.
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Old 05-16-2015, 10:41 AM
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I don't understand the issue with company iPad? It's a UAL provided equipment, just like PC in crew rooms and an A/C. If anyone wants to install extra apps on iPad, get you own f... iPad, you can afford it, even at the 1st year salary here. Would anybody mess with FMS or DUs to get colors or layout to meet there own personal desires? It's always the same thing here; if I'm not told otherwise I'll challenge it. We have to put warnings on everything "The hot beverage you about to enjoy is HOT", "Do not insert fingers into blender while blending" "Do not touch glass surface of you 2000 deg. clear face fireplace with 40,000BTUs" "Do not breath exhaust fumes coming out of the tail pipe of your automobile"" do not attempt to stop saw blade with your hand while in use"... Most can follow orders while in military service, but somehow their attitude changes when they start working for the airlines.

FOM: 17.10.1

IPAD EFB
Only a United-issued iPad may be used in operations as the EFB, for electronic retrieval and inflight use of United-provided manuals, documents, and charts. The iPad EFB uses cellular and Wi-Fi internet connectivity and includes access to many Company websites and functions, including the pilot’s United e-mail account. The iPad EFB includes a reference library in the Content Locker application that includes EFB-required manuals, Pilot Bulletins, training materials, and a variety of Company communications.
The iPad is Company property and the copyright and security of the data is identical to paper Company manuals. The ability to use an EFB in all phases of flight is in part dependent upon the intended use and the classification
of the EFB (i.e., unsecured or secured).
IPAD PED
The iPad is considered an EFB when accessing “Required iPad EFB Material.” When accessing anything other than the required items, including United Whitelist Applications, it is considered a PED and restrictions listed in the Pilot Personal Electronic Devices section of the Operating Information chapter apply.
iPad Distraction Mitigation Strategies
• Turn volume off.
• Ensure cellular data is OFF.
• Check notifications prior to flight.
• Activate Do Not Disturb to minimize notifications during flight.
REQUIRED IPAD EFB MATERIAL
The EFB portion of the iPad consists of the following items that must be kept current per the preflight requirements of this chapter:

Chapter 17 IPAD ELECTRONIC FLIGHT BAG
Section 10 GENERAL
• FM
• FM Checklists
• FOM
• WOM
• QRH (if issued)
• MEL Manual (if issued)
• JeppFD-Pro (if installed and utilized)
IPAD IOS UPDATES
Software updates to the iPad EFB operating system (iOS) are pushed to the iPad EFB by the manufacturer (Apple). As these updates may interfere with the United-supplied applications, do not install them until notified by Flight Operations to do so.


WHITELIST APPLICATIONS
Apps located in the Public category of the UA App Store have been approved and may be downloaded to the iPad EFB. Use of these applications must follow guidance outlined in the Pilot Personal Electronic Devices section of the Operating Information chapter.


GENERAL
• iPad EFB use is governed by the Company policies for electronic equipment (see Company>Working Together Guidelines>Information Security Policy>Ethics and Compliance Principles via the Flying Together website).
• Prohibited activities include transmitting or downloading of programs or data that contain obscene or otherwise offensive language or graphics.
• Do not “jailbreak,” hack any feature, or modify the iPad EFB operating system (iOS).
• iPad EFBs must remain enrolled in the Mobile Device Management (MDM)
program.
• To prevent damage and overheating, iPad EFBs should not be placed on the glareshield. The iPad EFB will automatically shut down if it exceeds 113o F and will resume operation once it returns to a normal temperature.
In the event of an aircraft incident or accident, the iPad EFB(s) may be confiscated by United or third parties, such as the NTSB, FAA, or other international aviation regulatory agencies. Do not alter or erase aviation or Company information on the iPad EFB. The device must be made available to Flight Operations Management personnel upon request.
• On the flight deck, the cellular service on all United-issued devices may be on and used only when brakes are set. While in the cabin, cellular service shall follow passenger restriction requirements.
UNSECURED IPAD EFB
A device that is not mounted in either an FAA-approved temporary suction-cup mount or a permanent mount is an unsecured device.
• While in sterile flight deck conditions:
– Use of the iPad EFB by pilots in the flying seats is restricted to referencing the FM, FOM, WOM, flight papers, and if issued, the MEL. Any other use is prohibited.
– PilotsintheflyingseatsarenotauthorizedtousetheJepp FD-Proapplication.
• When not in use, the iPad must be stowed in a location that prevents the device
from interfering with aircraft controls or damaging equipment.
Note: The iPad EFB can be used in all phases of flight for referencing required flight documents; however, the use of approach charts by pilots in the flying seats during critical phases of flight requires the device be secured.
SECURED IPAD EFB
A device that is mounted in an FAA-approved temporary suction-cup mount or a permanent mounting bracket is a secured device. These devices are approved for use during all phases of flight, including approach chart use.
While in sterile flight deck conditions, use of the iPad EFB by pilots in the flying seats is restricted to referencing EFB content only (i.e., FM, FOM, WOM, flight papers and if issued, the QRH, MEL, and JeppFD-Pro). Any other use is prohibited.
Refer to FOM on UAL iPad for more details. Use the search tool if you can't find it.


I'm not a company kool-aid drinker, but:
Get your own iPad, Samsung Tablet, or MS Surface p.o.s., and instal whatever you want.
Install apps or modify company iPad at your own risk and then during accident investigation hire a good lawyer to explain yourself why you did it, don't use ALPA's funds for that.
We all know pilots are cheep and will use their own $hit instead of butter to save a $, but give me a break, the cheapest iPad costs $249 and weights 0.73 lbs (less then 4 hours of new hire pay or an hour of CA pay), we don't have to drag our manuals and gigantic laptops 45lbs + so in addition to company iPad (0.98lbs), 0.73 lbs will not make any difference. Majority of pilots are tech savvy and can do a lot to iPad including OS modification, hacking, etc. So those that are so cool and can show off their skills with iPad, I want to see that loop in B737, next time you fly, show me that you got the guts.
In conclusion:
Get your own f... iPad.
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Old 05-16-2015, 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jetlink
In the event of an aircraft incident or accident, the iPad EFB(s) may be confiscated by United or third parties, such as the NTSB, FAA, or other international aviation regulatory agencies. Do not alter or erase aviation or Company information on the iPad EFB. The device must be made available to Flight Operations Management personnel upon request.
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Good to know.

I'll definitely be deleting my iPad if anything happens.

Other airlines just tell pilots to go out and buy iPads. No limits.

I think we're getting a little too crazy about what is on these things. Like you said…..we can just buy our own iPads and do whatever we want. What's the difference??
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Old 05-16-2015, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by untied
Good to know.

I'll definitely be deleting my iPad if anything happens.

Other airlines just tell pilots to go out and buy iPads. No limits.

I think we're getting a little too crazy about what is on these things. Like you said…..we can just buy our own iPads and do whatever we want. What's the difference??
The difference is, that you are following the procedure and don't have to explain yourself in case the $hit happens. I have sat on many of those hearings and it's painful. Lawyers will find anything to hang you for, in case things don't go the way they expected. "We give them all the tools of the trade, they have made the final decision".
Any electronics can be interrogated even after major accident and damage, using partial data. Company has the right to audit the content of your UAL iPad anytime you're connected to the internet and they do collect data about your iPad during updates.
During accident, your PED will be confiscated and all data transmitted prior to accident to remote servers will be subpoena by NTSB and FAA. If your PED was in transmit mode of any kind, WiFi, wireless, bluetooth, Personal Hotspot, etc, you are in violation of FAA mandate. If PED was in compliance with FAA transition restriction, the content of your PED will be investigated to prove intend for criminal acts, behavior patterns, etc, depends on the type of the accident. Your attorney's job will be to exclude any data that is not related to the case.
In case of our UAL iPads, it's FOM driven EFB, any deviation form company guidance, ie. during system update iPad will show App Store from Apple and you can download anything you want, connecting it to your PC and pushing apps to it that are not approved by company, jail breaking, etc, will have grounds for company lawyers to prove that you are a person that routinely deviate from SOPs. Adding driving records with speed tickets, etc, will be like fuel on fire. Outcomes are very sad.
Again, get your own iPad, do whatever you want with it, use VPN services for your truly private searches "like bank account accesses" :-) and enjoy your freedoms.
I believe that sums up trick and tips for UAL iPads.
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Old 05-17-2015, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by awax
Because you were told if it's on, or not? Not sure I follow.

Thanks for the number, I'll give 'em a call and ask if they can tell me what it is that I don't know.

I agree that the device has potential, a real game changer as they say, the training, however, like all UA's training is a huge disappointment.
Part of being wise to CRM is knowing how to get the tools you need to do the job better and more efficiently. Very few companies can keep up with the imagination and ingenuity of end-users who are using the Ipad to the fullest extent possible.

If we can find a way to make notes on charts, draw taxi routes, or do anything else that helps us operate better, then who cares? I heard that were supposed to be problem solvers, and leaders. If anyone in TK has a problem with how I use my Ipad then they can give me "dual instruction" on it and show me some official guidance.

Heck, I had notes and hi-lighted important info on 10-7, 10-9, and ramp pages for 20 plus years. Only problem was I had to re-draw the notes when I updated my Jepps.

The Ipad is supposed to make my job easier. If the company doesn't want to do that, then they can take the Ipad back from me. I am just now getting comfortable with using it, so I don't need any TK weenie to put hand-cuffs on the darn thing because something isn't "FAA APPROVED."

The FAA never approved my ink pen, yellow hi-liter, paper-clips, or my fuel cross-feed reminder, so I don't expect them to approve or disapprove any APPS. Likely, if you twist some aluminum, the FAA will ask you if you were playing age of empires or canasta on the Ipad instead of monitoring the overall operation.
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Old 05-19-2015, 05:38 PM
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You can highlight jepp pages also...
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