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05-08-2015, 08:48 AM
#51
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
I'm new so don't have any experience here to conclude from but.... My friend, hired in December on the 737 EWR switched to 756 EWR, is able to hold a line now . I'm not sure about DCA, but I'm wondering if because there is so much movement now that any conventional wisdom from the past is somewhat changed. Commute to reserve though is definitely not fun though that's for sure.
We have put so many pilots on the 756 in EWR and DCA in the last 6 months I have to believe that were nearing the end. Historically EWR 756 was staffed between 500 - 550 and this month there are 575 on the staffing list. In DCA there are only 66 CAs with 211 FOs. If you need twice as many FOs as CAs that would be 132. DCA is done and will be done until 50 or so FOs bid out.
Just like you don't want to be the last one hired when the airline stops you don't want to be the last pilot on a fleet that is staffed. The IAH 737 guys have been on reserve for 2 1/2 years.
YOU CAN ALWAYS BID UP ANYTIME YOU WANT!!!!!!
05-08-2015, 08:55 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Feb 2012
Position: 787
Posts: 3,202
Also, bigBoeings, you were former airline so being IRO for you is not a big deal at all. I spent 10 years at a regional so I said the same thing, Bring on IRO!!
I would strongly recommend a military pilot who has no airline background to bid domestic initially. Military pilots are great pilots but there is so much other BS that goes along with flying 121 when you are parked at the gate. The best way to learn the company and 121 is to burry yourself in it for a year or two, then bid international and live the easy life.
I would strongly recommend a military pilot who has no airline background to bid domestic initially. Military pilots are great pilots but there is so much other BS that goes along with flying 121 when you are parked at the gate. The best way to learn the company and 121 is to burry yourself in it for a year or two, then bid international and live the easy life.
05-08-2015, 11:27 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,171
Sounds like you've got a bad case of SJS. Almost everyone is telling you to not bid the 756 - and we're telling you that based on the information you've posted. There are many reasons why we're telling you to bid 737 or 320, not the least of which is that the 756 fleet is shrinking.
It might work out for you, but if you're sitting on the 737 or 320, you can bid up to the 756 any time you want. If you're unhappy with the 756, you're seat locked for 2 years. That alone is worth not bidding the 756 as a newhire.
It might work out for you, but if you're sitting on the 737 or 320, you can bid up to the 756 any time you want. If you're unhappy with the 756, you're seat locked for 2 years. That alone is worth not bidding the 756 as a newhire.
05-08-2015, 10:34 PM
#55
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Joined APC: Nov 2010
Posts: 3,071
Sounds like you've got a bad case of SJS. Almost everyone is telling you to not bid the 756 - and we're telling you that based on the information you've posted. There are many reasons why we're telling you to bid 737 or 320, not the least of which is that the 756 fleet is shrinking.
It might work out for you, but if you're sitting on the 737 or 320, you can bid up to the 756 any time you want. If you're unhappy with the 756, you're seat locked for 2 years. That alone is worth not bidding the 756 as a newhire.
It might work out for you, but if you're sitting on the 737 or 320, you can bid up to the 756 any time you want. If you're unhappy with the 756, you're seat locked for 2 years. That alone is worth not bidding the 756 as a newhire.
05-09-2015, 06:25 AM
#56
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 36
Sounds like you've got a bad case of SJS. Almost everyone is telling you to not bid the 756 - and we're telling you that based on the information you've posted. There are many reasons why we're telling you to bid 737 or 320, not the least of which is that the 756 fleet is shrinking.
It might work out for you, but if you're sitting on the 737 or 320, you can bid up to the 756 any time you want. If you're unhappy with the 756, you're seat locked for 2 years. That alone is worth not bidding the 756 as a newhire.
It might work out for you, but if you're sitting on the 737 or 320, you can bid up to the 756 any time you want. If you're unhappy with the 756, you're seat locked for 2 years. That alone is worth not bidding the 756 as a newhire.
I didn't know about the 756 seat lock until your post.
05-09-2015, 08:34 AM
#57
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,171
VB, you will find this to be an interesting read. From the contract:
Category (a Category shall be considered “new” for all vacancies with advertised effective
Captain vacancy if he has never held a Captain position before.
Section 8-D for any specific vacancy bulletin.
8-D Eligibility to be Awarded Vacancies
A Pilot's eligibility to be awarded vacancies shall be subject to the following conditions:
8-D-1
Equipment Training Freeze
8-D-1-a
When a Pilot enters training for a vacancy award, he may be ineligible to be
awarded another vacancy for twenty-four (24) months if the number of training days
(excluding days off) for the training he has entered is thirteen (13) days or greater, or for
twelve (12) months if the training he has entered is less than thirteen (13) days. There shall
be no restriction on his eligibility to be awarded another vacancy if training is not required.
8-D-1-b
An Equipment training freeze shall also apply to a Pilot who requires training upon
being hired as a Pilot or upon being recalled from furlough.
8-D-1-c
An Equipment training freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training, and
shall apply to any vacancy bulletin whose closing date falls within the duration of the
freeze.
8-D-1-d
An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot in a lower–numbered
Equipment/pay band from being awarded a vacancy in a higher-numbered Equipment/pay
band, pursuant to the bands described below:
1) 321/320/319FO, 737FO
2) 767/757FO
3) 747FO, 777FO, 787FO, 350FO
4) 321/320/319CA, 737CA
5) 767/757CA
6) 747CA, 777CA, 787CA, 350CA
8-D-1-e
An Equipment training freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding to a “new”
Category (a Category shall be considered “new” for all vacancies with advertised effective
dates within six (6) months of the advertised effective date of the first vacancies bid in that
new Category).
8-D-2
Bidding Freeze
8-D-2-a
When a Pilot is awarded an assignment through vacancy bidding and such award
does not move him from a lower-numbered band to a higher-numbered band in
accordance with Section 8-D-1-d, he may be ineligible to be awarded any other vacancy for
twenty-four (24) months. However, a Pilot shall be eligible to be awarded a vacancy for a
“lateral” award (i.e., change in Base only; present Equipment and Status remain the same)
without incurring an additional bidding freeze.
8-D-2-b
A bidding freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training or, if training is not
required, on the date of his Activation, and shall apply to any vacancy bid whose closing
date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-2-c
A bidding freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from bidding for a Captain vacancy in his
current Equipment type, nor from bidding to a new Base (a Base shall be considered “new”
for vacancies with effective dates within six (6) months of the effective date of the first
vacancy bulletin for that new Base).
8-D-3
New Equipment Type Freeze
8-D-3-a
When a Pilot receives an award through vacancy bidding to a “new” Equipment
type as defined in Section 8-C-7, he shall be ineligible to be awarded any other vacancy
until the “new”
Equipment type has completed twenty-four (24) months of revenue
service.
8-D-3-b
The award restriction set forth in Section 8-D-3-a shall also apply to a Pilot who
receives an award to a “new” Equipment type upon being hired as a
Pilot or upon being
recalled from furlough.
8-D-3-c
A new Equipment type freeze shall begin the first day a Pilot starts training, and
shall apply to any vacancy bid whose closing date falls within the duration of the freeze.
8-D-3-d
A new Equipment type freeze shall not restrict a Pilot from being awarded a
Captain vacancy if he has never held a Captain position before.
8-D-4
Any previously existing Equipment training freeze, bidding freeze, or new Equipment
type freeze shall expire when a Pilot is advanced to a subsequent vacancy bid award, and only
the freeze applicable to the new award, if any, shall apply. However, freezes shall not expire if
the award is a lateral bid award. A Pilot under a freeze may be awarded an unlimited number
of lateral bid awards except he shall receive no new paid move nor travel time entitlement as
a result of such an award.
8-D-5
The Company, after consultation with the SSC, may waive any of the freezes outlined in
Section 8-D for any specific vacancy bulletin.
05-09-2015, 10:03 AM
#59
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,982
And the 737s are ETOPs so that pretty much makes them a widebody. You can impress all your friends.
05-10-2015, 07:15 AM
#60
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Joined APC: Apr 2006
Position: 737 CA
Posts: 2,750
Sounds like you've got a bad case of SJS. Almost everyone is telling you to not bid the 756 - and we're telling you that based on the information you've posted. There are many reasons why we're telling you to bid 737 or 320, not the least of which is that the 756 fleet is shrinking.
It might work out for you, but if you're sitting on the 737 or 320, you can bid up to the 756 any time you want. If you're unhappy with the 756, you're seat locked for 2 years. That alone is worth not bidding the 756 as a newhire.
It might work out for you, but if you're sitting on the 737 or 320, you can bid up to the 756 any time you want. If you're unhappy with the 756, you're seat locked for 2 years. That alone is worth not bidding the 756 as a newhire.
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