Rowerpilot1111

Is it good news or bad news if you don't hear right away? I took the test yesterday and finished around noon. Its 4pm the next day and I still haven't heard. Keeping my fingers crossed!!

Failed Hogan

Valid point, without doubt. I appreciate your response. I considered this before I ultimately decided to submit my original post. My intent isn't to burn any bridges. I understand that I offered information that could potentially eliminate me from being reconsidered at UAL. But, if this post gets to the people that are capable of doing so, maybe as they scrub the applicants in search of the one in disagreement with their hiring process, they would take the time to reconsider if this test is worthy of being a 'one strike you're out' type of filter. If I didn't know of some outstanding applicants that were dq'd based on their results of this test, than I wouldn't have posted anything. But, based on the amount of people I've seen turned away from UAL after taking this test - perhaps it would be in the company's best interest to consider an alternate means of filtering out applicants that they think wouldn't be a good fit at the company. If an applicant has multiple internal references that can vouch for their character, that should hold some weight, shouldn't it?

You mentioned 'learning something from the experience'. I'm honestly not sure what there is to learn from. You are offered no feedback upon the failure of this test. UAL gives you a year to rehabilitate yourself and change your personality enough so that you can, if invited, reattempt in a year - a completely changed man (or woman). If this test is a valid means of predicting longterm behavioral patterns, I doubt that someone is going to change their personality enough in one year to suddenly make them a better fit. They might, however, get lucky the second time around and, depending on their mood at the time, answer the way that UAL wants them to answer. Or, since the test isn't proctored, just have their saint of a mom take the test for them.

Acquaticus, thanks again for your response. Not to discredit what you said, at all. I do think you have a very valid point.

Thanks to all others who responded with encouraging words, as well.

Triumph

Hard to say. I took it the night I received the email at about 9pm Denver time. The next morning by about 11am I received an email saying I was moving on to the interviews. I think there's been many different variations of time to notification. Be patient and think positive thoughts.....

Lobaeux

It took three days after completion of the Hogan to receive the invite.

RJSAviator76

You have a valid point Failed... Having 15 recommendations on file should weigh FAR more than an impersonal test measuring absolutes. How do you answer "I prefer reading a book over watching TV" question truthfully?! It depends on one's mood... but Hogan makes you check T or F.

If they used this test as an insight for the interview line of questions designed to "push your buttons", great... and I think it would be far more accurate. However, using it as an absolute filter - everyone gets shortchanged.

visceral

Pilots go to WAI and OBAP because that's where the recruiters are. Meeting recruiters is supposed to improve your chances for an interview. You got a call to take the Hogan without going to a conference apparently, so good on you. A lot of good pilots haven't been able to do that. But I'm fairly certain most recruiters don't care about your feelings of support for either of these organizations. It's just a convenient venue for them to attend.

Failed Hogan

Perhaps I was misinformed. I was under the impression that pilots were automatically being awarded points to their application for joining these organizations and showing up to conferences, regardless of if they got the opportunity to speak to a recruiter, or not. Thanks for clarifying.

Failed Hogan

I definitely agree.

Dave Fitzgerald

Failed,

Sorry you had to go through this. My flying career is very similar to yours, but I was hired in 1987, after the strike. Different era.

As has already been intimated, UAL will have to reexamine their hiring practices, I think including the 1 year wait. As the available pool shrinks, fewer people to fill classes. In the next year or two, it will become a big problem. I don't see a great many more entering the hiring pool, so the only way to keep hiring will be to reexamine the TBNT pool. I sincerely hope you will consider UAL on the second go around.

And...still competing with AMR and Delta for the same people. Will our new pay rates inch us up the desirability scale? This is still a very screwed up place to work, so I hope so.

Good Luck. Dave

Failed Hogan

Thanks for the post, Dave.