Tank21

True, but you take the psych test at the same time as submitting your app with American. It can be done.

Firsttimeflyer

Do you also want to do an in person psych eval like Delta does? Or the cognitive test at Delta? Or the FaceTime pre-interview with American? Those can be done to. Want the sim to come back so guys can spend another $1200 in prep?

It's the process.

Tank21

No, no and no

It's not that hard to attach the psych evaluation to the application. It would probably help UAL in the long run because you don't even have to contact the ones who've already not passed that portion. You pass the initial eval, you get a call for an interview, it's that easy.

Firsttimeflyer

You're right. Why don't you put in a call to the hiring department and tell them how they need to run things with all the wisdom you have gained here since July. Let me know what they say.

Tank21

OK....

So, with your infinite wisdom and seniority, how long must you work for United before you're allowed your own thought or opinion on a subject?

Maybe that's what's wrong UAL and the airlines as a whole; all ideas from new hires are ridiculed by certain people and therefore nothing changes for the better and the status quo remains unchanged.

Firsttimeflyer

It's not about being a new hire or number 1 but I find it funny in less than 5 months after being hired you want to go about changing the system that let you get hired.
The bottom line is it doesn't really matter when they take it. But if cost is a factor, why not save the cash spent on an outside company. Your way of doing it will let every applicant take the test just by submitting their app whether they are qualified or not, whether they would fit or not. Waste of money. We have enough of that going on already, why bleed more?
It also sets a trigger when they are picked and if they fail, when they can get selected again. It's also a good indicator that you got selected and are now potentially on your way to an interview.
And if those aren't enough, it is also a CURRENT reflection of your ability to fit in as to whatever parameters they use. Just like how a lot of guys all of a sudden fit in when they take the test the second time.

pilotgolfer

Read your contract...it clearly says 3 full bid periods after your probationary checkride, you are entitled to an opinion. Until then, shut up and color.

Tank21

I read don't so good.

Hilltopper89

Don't worry, Tank. I'm going on 3 years and am still told that my opinion doesn't matter and I don't know anything because I'm a "new hire". I guess as long as we're below somebody on the seniority list it'll be that way.

Old UCAL CA

I'm having a difficult time understanding that others would treat you guys that way.

I didn't fly with many new guys, but I found those with whom I had the privilege to be enthusiastic, very capable, thrilled to be here, and a strong sense of safety/mission completion focus. Most had extensive military or regional time...or both. If I had any problems with anybody it was usually with old, fat, belligerent, untidy, sh*thead captains such as myself.

In all cases it was a much, much better experience than flying with someone who did his best making it clear to me how little he wanted to do.

You guys are going to be the "heartbeat" soon...don't let it get you down.