John Carr

That came straight from Stuke, so forgive the difference between 00 and 01. You must have been in the Vesley era .

JetDoc

I honestly think the Hogan will eventually go away just like the sim evaluation did. You just can't keep rejecting military IP's and regional captains with thousands of hours of TPIC who are ALREADY flying up to 76 of United's paying passengers around safely everyday with the amount of hiring needed to cover upcoming retirements. If United continues to do so they will run out of applicants very fast. Why is that you ask? Because although UAL may have 10,000 apps on file, a number that I do not dispute, most of those people also have apps in at DAL, AA, WN etc. and will go to the first company that interviews and subsequently offers them a job. The applicant pool is not as deep as everyone seems to think IMHO.

John Carr

I agree with your sentiment.

But they'll still find plenty of regional FO's, other civ demographics with little to no TPIC, and lower time mil/no AC time pilots to fill those slots. Lord knows, there's enough of them out there.

And this round, compared to 2007-2008 and pre 9/11 seems more pilots without TPIC/AC getting hired.

krudawg

I'm not sure I agree. They will always use some kind of personality screening tests in order to attempt to weed out personality traits they are trying to avoid. Back in my day, it was the MMPI, now it's the Hogan and maybe ink blots will work it's way into the HR thought process. To hear that the Hogan is weeding out Military pilots (who have already been screened by the military) because of some score on the Hogan is wasting good talent that will wind up at other airlines. It is our loss. And I hope the powers-to-be will figure that out.

flyingkangaroo

Currently, there are thousands of FO's with 6k plus hours flying for expressjet... they don't have the opportunity to upgrade... should United not consider them, instead choosing a pilot with 2500 hours of which 1000 hours is pic turbine?their turbine experience only being because their airline was given lots of airplanes at the first pilots expense? Serious question, I'm just wondering if the pic time is that important to them in such a situation? It seems like they are implying that the pic time in that context doesn't matter to them. Who would you rather fly with? Do you think there would be a difference in caliber of pilot? Commutair is getting aircraft, again from expressjet, which will cause instantaneous upgrades for pilots who have only operated turbo props.... they will have a flow to your operation... without any jet time.. Would you rather have the 6k hour FO in this case.??.. I guess what I'm getting at is that pilots want things to be fair, a logical perception of order, a defined process in which someone checks boxes and when the boxes are checked, they are called. It's just not the case anymore, the world has changed, and in truth many people haven't had it very easy time checking all the boxes at a regional, but they are doing everything they can to get hired and it seems like United is noticing to some degree. Personally I can't disagree with how they have worked the process...

FlyHIGHgoFAST

Don't knock it till you try it! Anyone can fly a jet, but a turboprop takes a real man.

I'll take the turboprop driver over some arrogant dude who thinks he deserves a shot just because he has 6k hours of right seat time in a jet.

Seriously though, it's not what you fly but rather the attitude you present. There's not a lot of arrogance and entitlement coming from those sloppy prop drivers. Not saying everyone is arrogant, it is just the impression a post like this presents.

Keep your app updated bro, your call will come soon! Good luck.

tikicarver

Well I made it past the Hogan. I have an interview in Dec. I feel lucky I made it past the thing. I could have easily answered the opposite way on many questions.

I think many of us feel they should not weed you out before you get to meet someone F2F. Why not just give the test the day of the interview and make it part of what they look at?

flyingkangaroo

The idea that you to say that i'm an "arrogant dude" is a rush to judgment. I find that many people who are in better positions assume that when someone says something isn't fair, it's automatic entitlement. I don't think that's always the case. Besides that, I specifically pointed out that the process wasn't designed to be fair, it's not a box checking system that automatically calls you once you get them filled.

I simply posed several questions, that questioned why others thought the process wasn't fair, and question the process which they arrived at their decision. Your interpretation was that I was arrogant and entitled. I let you think what you want. It's easy, especially for pilots to assume that others are arrogant should someone question the concepts of their judgement. Mostly because pilots are narcissistic. In many ways we have to be to operate aircraft at a higher level. Regardless, let me pose my questions to you again, in a different manner.

should UAL hire a military pilot with 850 hours, or an regional pilot with 10,000K?
should UAL hire a military pilot with 2500 hours, or an rj captain with exactly 1000 pic.
Should UAL hire an RJ FO with 7000 hours, or and rj captain with no degree?

My point again is this; there are so many qualified applicants that discriminating because one box is checked but not the other is foolish. I think the process is set in place for a reason, They look at the bigger picture and try to get a glimpse of the total package.

Sincerely, "Arrogant Dude"----- who by the way was also a prop driver for several years.............................. but then later became entitled and arrogant because he questioned someone's reasoning on APC......

Crucero

Wish the Hogan test was administered as soon as someone applied, waiting a few months or even years to take it once it's finally sent only to get rejected is a waste of hope and time.

Firsttimeflyer

I'd like to say it comes down to cost. Why pay to have every applicant take the test only to watch (at this time) hundreds to thousands of them get hired by other airlines.