APC225

Whatever process they use seems to be working for who gets in, maybe not as well for some who do not.

worstpilotever

Every airline has an arbitrary selection process. How else do you filter thru 10000 applications? The very nature of the application process is arbitrary. It is what it is, if you get too spooled up about it prior to the hogan it will probably show up in the test.

jsled

THIS ^^. I remember my trek over to Stapleton Plaza. 4 out of 5 guys I knew had been shot down....one of them twice! Almost felt like a lost cause or a walk through. No frickin way. Somehow I got hired. Should have went to Vegas the next day!

AbleHigher

Are there any ways to get an United application pulled and scored similar to the Delta internal rec method?


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Old UCAL CA

Interviewed at Delta in 1977. There were 33 of us waiting in the lobby area of a brick office building at the airport.

A lady came out and welcomed us all to the interview process at Delta. She told us that we all met minimum qualifications and were all going to go through the interview and psych process to fill two (count 'em...two) vacancies in the next class starting in a week and a half. That's about 1 in 15.

It appears that it hasn't changed much. Back then, if you were dumped, so was your file...had to reapply from scratch unless receiving a letter stating "not eligible for reapplication." Didn't get one of those, but did get the TBNT.

The process was arduous...nothing electronic...all by hand or an IBM Selectric.

John Carr

What's changed is they simply don't bring as many folks in for a F2F, much of a "pre screen" is done online. And even then, it's before a "pre pre screen" of a job fair, multiple job fairs, a meet and greet, whatever.

AFTER that, the chances of being offered a CJO are much higher. The lowest I've heard for UAL on the "take rate" after interview was in the low 70-ish%. Which is WAY higher than the late 90s/early 2000 where it was around 1-12 were offered the first time around.

Not uncommon of DAL to hire the majority of the people they brought in that day. Although there have been some low days as well.

magneto

I have to disagree with that, I interviewed in late 2000.
There were 5 of us. 3 Mil and 2 Civ. I remember the first thing they told all of us.
"Forget all the rumors you have heard, we don't have any quotas, we are not trying to weed you out and it is ok to drink the glass of water we give you. You are here because you meet our qualifications and we want to hire you. The main purpose of today is to get to know you a little bit."

All 5 of us got hired. I knew a guy in the next group, he said 4 of his group got hired. The one that didn't was because on the way home he was harassing the gate agent that she had to get him on the full flight because he was Positive Space. My buddy watched her pick up the phone and call someone about him. He probably still wonders why he didn't get hired.

And there was no Hogan test back then.

There already is a tough process just to get your named picked out of the 10,000 apps. After that, there should not be a controversial test that is a gate you have to get through. HR depts have bought into the marketing of the testing companies. Google Mr Hogan, he says, "we can help you hire the right people."
You like the idea of the test, ok fine, then use it as one of the tools during the interview. Let the board decide what they think about the results.

APC225

The hiring process at any major airline is a little about uncovering information about the applicant, and a lot about identifying who can best determine the hoops to jump through and then who jumps through them well. Frasca (UAL), MD-80 sim (CAL), psychologist (DAL), I'm the happiest guy in the world (SWA), I just LOVE staying up all night (UPS, FEDEX), I want to live in the middle of nowhere off the grid (Abex), tech test du jour (all), whatever. Just tell me what you want, I'll do it. Just tell me who you want, I'll be it. The process on rare occasions finds someone who can't hold zero degrees of bank or has an open arrest warrant, but most are hired by getting the gouge and then becoming Hollywood actors for a day. Unfortunately any process can unwisely let someone through and unfairly leave someone out.

magneto

There was a good article in Forbes about job .
It said there are really only 3 true job interview questions a hiring manager needs to know.

1-Can you do the job?
2-Will you love the job?
3-Can we tolerate working with you?

IMHO I think pilots are the best judge of those questions when it comes to hiring other pilots. HR people are still trying to figure out how to hire people for a job they really have no experience with so they use these tests to try to figure it out.

Did they give the Hogan to Oscar before they hired him?

Shrek

Nope...... Does it matter ? NOPE