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04-08-2015, 07:42 AM
#51
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Hey Probe
Just want to make sure I understand correctly your point. Total block hours for United (mainline and regional) will remain mostly flat. Which I agree with you on that point.
However the upgauging is moving flying from large regional jets to small mainline aircraft. This would increase mainline block hours while decreases regional feed block hours.
So for the only point that matters to us...more hiring at mainline. That is the way I understand it. Block hours flat for UAL (regional +mainline) but shifting flying away from express.
Just want to make sure I understand correctly your point. Total block hours for United (mainline and regional) will remain mostly flat. Which I agree with you on that point.
However the upgauging is moving flying from large regional jets to small mainline aircraft. This would increase mainline block hours while decreases regional feed block hours.
So for the only point that matters to us...more hiring at mainline. That is the way I understand it. Block hours flat for UAL (regional +mainline) but shifting flying away from express.
I would say I am not negative, just pragmatic. Other opinions may differ.
I hope we grow the mainline. I just don't see it right now.
04-08-2015, 07:52 AM
#52
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so, if i just want to stay in houston and don't bid the 320 this time, i just wait till they displace me and i can bump into whatever i can hold bc they can't kick me out of base, regardless of what I'm on, as long as i can hold it?.. IE 76 iah?
04-08-2015, 08:03 AM
#53
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If there is 1 pilot junior to you in any category you can displace to it. The only problem is when they displace the most junior category, then sometimes these pilots can't hold another one in the same base. But no one who will be on the IAH surplus will be "forced" to leave base, etc as they have claimed. They can all stay in base.
04-08-2015, 09:36 AM
#56
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Probe
I wasn't saying you are negative. I was asking what I am missing. This is my third airline. 11 years in the industry and I worked corporate before that. I am not a rookie per say but I thought I read and of course like so many things I can't remember where I read it that this "up-gauging" (United word not mine) was going to lead to increased block hours. Also I flew with someone on the MEC (back in November so this info is already outdated)and they were the ones who told me in 2016 the block hours would start ramping up. They also said the 767/757 fleet would start doing more and more inefficient flying due to the fact that we own them but cost more to operate verses the 787 that coast a lot but needs to stay on the move to justify ownership. So more Europe for the 787 while the 757/767 start doing flights where it flys a 6-8 hour leg and then sits for a 6-7 hours and then comes back. These moves would require an uptick in hiring to crew this type of operation. Also he said that more and more flying would move to mainline IF this "rebanking" works out like it is suppose to. That's a big if.
Any rate wanted to make sure that you realize that I am not questioning your position on things. I am skeptical by nature and always joke that I hope JetBlue will take me back once I get furloughed. I am feeling like some of these things are beginning to happen because we are hiring more people. But like you the only place where I have seen anything written about this is in the company base and Howard's updates but nothing in SEc filings or presented to wall street. Guess time will tell
I wasn't saying you are negative. I was asking what I am missing. This is my third airline. 11 years in the industry and I worked corporate before that. I am not a rookie per say but I thought I read and of course like so many things I can't remember where I read it that this "up-gauging" (United word not mine) was going to lead to increased block hours. Also I flew with someone on the MEC (back in November so this info is already outdated)and they were the ones who told me in 2016 the block hours would start ramping up. They also said the 767/757 fleet would start doing more and more inefficient flying due to the fact that we own them but cost more to operate verses the 787 that coast a lot but needs to stay on the move to justify ownership. So more Europe for the 787 while the 757/767 start doing flights where it flys a 6-8 hour leg and then sits for a 6-7 hours and then comes back. These moves would require an uptick in hiring to crew this type of operation. Also he said that more and more flying would move to mainline IF this "rebanking" works out like it is suppose to. That's a big if.
Any rate wanted to make sure that you realize that I am not questioning your position on things. I am skeptical by nature and always joke that I hope JetBlue will take me back once I get furloughed. I am feeling like some of these things are beginning to happen because we are hiring more people. But like you the only place where I have seen anything written about this is in the company base and Howard's updates but nothing in SEc filings or presented to wall street. Guess time will tell
04-08-2015, 12:14 PM
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DCA 320 FO 5 AWARDS 52 UNFILLED
DCA 756 FO 55 AWARDS 23 UNFILLED
EWR 737 FO 5 AWARDS 60 UNFILLED
EWR 756 FO 14 AWARDS 47 UNFILLED
IAH 320 FO 42 AWARDS 13 UNFILLED
SFO 737 FO 38 AWARDS 23 UNFILLED
04-08-2015, 02:53 PM
#59
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Probe
I wasn't saying you are negative. I was asking what I am missing. This is my third airline. 11 years in the industry and I worked corporate before that. I am not a rookie per say but I thought I read and of course like so many things I can't remember where I read it that this "up-gauging" (United word not mine) was going to lead to increased block hours. Also I flew with someone on the MEC (back in November so this info is already outdated)and they were the ones who told me in 2016 the block hours would start ramping up. They also said the 767/757 fleet would start doing more and more inefficient flying due to the fact that we own them but cost more to operate verses the 787 that coast a lot but needs to stay on the move to justify ownership. So more Europe for the 787 while the 757/767 start doing flights where it flys a 6-8 hour leg and then sits for a 6-7 hours and then comes back. These moves would require an uptick in hiring to crew this type of operation. Also he said that more and more flying would move to mainline IF this "rebanking" works out like it is suppose to. That's a big if.
Any rate wanted to make sure that you realize that I am not questioning your position on things. I am skeptical by nature and always joke that I hope JetBlue will take me back once I get furloughed. I am feeling like some of these things are beginning to happen because we are hiring more people. But like you the only place where I have seen anything written about this is in the company base and Howard's updates but nothing in SEc filings or presented to wall street. Guess time will tell
I wasn't saying you are negative. I was asking what I am missing. This is my third airline. 11 years in the industry and I worked corporate before that. I am not a rookie per say but I thought I read and of course like so many things I can't remember where I read it that this "up-gauging" (United word not mine) was going to lead to increased block hours. Also I flew with someone on the MEC (back in November so this info is already outdated)and they were the ones who told me in 2016 the block hours would start ramping up. They also said the 767/757 fleet would start doing more and more inefficient flying due to the fact that we own them but cost more to operate verses the 787 that coast a lot but needs to stay on the move to justify ownership. So more Europe for the 787 while the 757/767 start doing flights where it flys a 6-8 hour leg and then sits for a 6-7 hours and then comes back. These moves would require an uptick in hiring to crew this type of operation. Also he said that more and more flying would move to mainline IF this "rebanking" works out like it is suppose to. That's a big if.
Any rate wanted to make sure that you realize that I am not questioning your position on things. I am skeptical by nature and always joke that I hope JetBlue will take me back once I get furloughed. I am feeling like some of these things are beginning to happen because we are hiring more people. But like you the only place where I have seen anything written about this is in the company base and Howard's updates but nothing in SEc filings or presented to wall street. Guess time will tell
Hopefully they will put the 757's back on Hawaii flights or transcons where they belong vs 73's.
I hope there is growth. 900 pilots this year doesn't make any sense if there isn't.
04-08-2015, 03:00 PM
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I agree. The unplanned retaining of all lUAL 763's was to put a proper airplane on some of the longer Europe routes flown by lCAL 757's. 117 made fuel stops on the way back too painful/illegal. What will the 757's do? Not sure, but probably less productive, like you said.
Hopefully they will put the 757's back on Hawaii flights or transcons where they belong vs 73's.
I hope there is growth. 900 pilots this year doesn't make any sense if there isn't.
Hopefully they will put the 757's back on Hawaii flights or transcons where they belong vs 73's.
I hope there is growth. 900 pilots this year doesn't make any sense if there isn't.
That frees shorty 737s for select markets that currently have lots of RJs but no mainline. As the RJ fleet shrinks, baby 737s and 319s get some of that.
Not growth per se in block hours---just flown other places.
Again, this is what I hope will happen.
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