Vacancy bid 15-04V
01-06-2015, 01:07 AM
#341
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It's not so much the understanding of being "one" airline as seen by Wall Street and governmental agencies.
It has to do more with the operational realities of the two entities that forged the New United.
One entity came into this New United as a tired, decrepit and old entity with a humiliated work force that in the flight operations side had destroyed the careers of thousands of pilots, the retirements of thousand more and was using airplanes that were lacking in the new and innovative technologies of the day.
The other came into this New United with a strong momentum of new and efficient airplanes, airplane orders to replace old ones and the new and technological advanced 787, it also had a work group that was efficient and more productive than its peers. It brought new and innovative ideas of what the airline of the future should look like and brought to the merger the momentum needed to transform itself and help the aging airline become something new, fresh, and prosperous.
So the flight operations side of the young and fresh airline had the momentum of growth and prosperity that allowed the pilots of the tired airline to begin anew their career and have a place to finally call "Home".
Yes we are proud of were we came from, and excited of where we are going now together as the "New United", but only a fool fails to see the reality that both entities found themselves coming into the merger and how the merger date does not tell the whole story of how operational it was two airlines forging into one...
It has to do more with the operational realities of the two entities that forged the New United.
One entity came into this New United as a tired, decrepit and old entity with a humiliated work force that in the flight operations side had destroyed the careers of thousands of pilots, the retirements of thousand more and was using airplanes that were lacking in the new and innovative technologies of the day.
The other came into this New United with a strong momentum of new and efficient airplanes, airplane orders to replace old ones and the new and technological advanced 787, it also had a work group that was efficient and more productive than its peers. It brought new and innovative ideas of what the airline of the future should look like and brought to the merger the momentum needed to transform itself and help the aging airline become something new, fresh, and prosperous.
So the flight operations side of the young and fresh airline had the momentum of growth and prosperity that allowed the pilots of the tired airline to begin anew their career and have a place to finally call "Home".
Yes we are proud of were we came from, and excited of where we are going now together as the "New United", but only a fool fails to see the reality that both entities found themselves coming into the merger and how the merger date does not tell the whole story of how operational it was two airlines forging into one...
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01-06-2015, 05:30 AM
#342
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Ain't that the truth! CD McLean (sp?) begat Debbie McCoy who was fired (with good reason) to install Fred Abbott. Flight Ops had been adversarial at CAL for as long as I was there and probably going all the way back to '83 or earlier. My man Kilder needs to stop looking at CAL with rose colored glasses and move along.
01-06-2015, 05:37 AM
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01-06-2015, 08:57 AM
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It's not so much the understanding of being "one" airline as seen by Wall Street and governmental agencies.
It has to do more with the operational realities of the two entities that forged the New United.
One entity came into this New United as a tired, decrepit and old entity with a humiliated work force that in the flight operations side had destroyed the careers of thousands of pilots, the retirements of thousand more and was using airplanes that were lacking in the new and innovative technologies of the day.
The other came into this New United with a strong momentum of new and efficient airplanes, airplane orders to replace old ones and the new and technological advanced 787, it also had a work group that was efficient and more productive than its peers. It brought new and innovative ideas of what the airline of the future should look like and brought to the merger the momentum needed to transform itself and help the aging airline become something new, fresh, and prosperous.
So the flight operations side of the young and fresh airline had the momentum of growth and prosperity that allowed the pilots of the tired airline to begin anew their career and have a place to finally call "Home".
Yes we are proud of were we came from, and excited of where we are going now together as the "New United", but only a fool fails to see the reality that both entities found themselves coming into the merger and how the merger date does not tell the whole story of how operational it was two airlines forging into one...
It has to do more with the operational realities of the two entities that forged the New United.
One entity came into this New United as a tired, decrepit and old entity with a humiliated work force that in the flight operations side had destroyed the careers of thousands of pilots, the retirements of thousand more and was using airplanes that were lacking in the new and innovative technologies of the day.
The other came into this New United with a strong momentum of new and efficient airplanes, airplane orders to replace old ones and the new and technological advanced 787, it also had a work group that was efficient and more productive than its peers. It brought new and innovative ideas of what the airline of the future should look like and brought to the merger the momentum needed to transform itself and help the aging airline become something new, fresh, and prosperous.
So the flight operations side of the young and fresh airline had the momentum of growth and prosperity that allowed the pilots of the tired airline to begin anew their career and have a place to finally call "Home".
Yes we are proud of were we came from, and excited of where we are going now together as the "New United", but only a fool fails to see the reality that both entities found themselves coming into the merger and how the merger date does not tell the whole story of how operational it was two airlines forging into one...
This was the SLI story, and no one bought it.
01-06-2015, 10:53 AM
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Yet nothing that I pointed out is false..
-One airline had thousands of pilots in furlough
-One airline had older airplanes that have needed Millions to refurbish to bring to par.
-One airline took away the retirement promise of it's retired pilots and those it employed and their future retirement.
-One airline was reducing International service and leaving markets
-One airline had not received any new airplane for years and had no future orders within 5 years of merger close.
-One airline had been in the longest bankruptcy in airline history.
Yes, nobody bought it...because all of these points are not true...sure bro.
01-06-2015, 11:42 AM
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No one bought it because those with the power to decide did not want another USAir fiasco.
Yet nothing that I pointed out is false..
-One airline had thousands of pilots in furlough
-One airline had older airplanes that have needed Millions to refurbish to bring to par.
-One airline took away the retirement promise of it's retired pilots and those it employed and their future retirement.
-One airline was reducing International service and leaving markets
-One airline had not received any new airplane for years and had no future orders within 5 years of merger close.
-One airline had been in the longest bankruptcy in airline history.
Yes, nobody bought it...because all of these points are not true...sure bro.
Yet nothing that I pointed out is false..
-One airline had thousands of pilots in furlough
-One airline had older airplanes that have needed Millions to refurbish to bring to par.
-One airline took away the retirement promise of it's retired pilots and those it employed and their future retirement.
-One airline was reducing International service and leaving markets
-One airline had not received any new airplane for years and had no future orders within 5 years of merger close.
-One airline had been in the longest bankruptcy in airline history.
Yes, nobody bought it...because all of these points are not true...sure bro.
I keep hearing about the Arbitrators not wanting UAL to leave ALPA. But one one will explain why they would even care. They are professional arbitrators, not ALPA employees. They arbitrate lots of things for lots of people. They arbitrate in this industry because they understand it. They certainly wouldn't care what our Union was called.
Also, if this was the case, they would have given us EXACTLY what we wanted, which we didn't get. We didn't get what we want, didn't leave ALPA, so history has shown those accusations were not true.
Its really clear you didn't read the Award, have no idea what the facts were, and are on here just to rile everyone up. We don't need you for that. We do well enough doing that all on our own.
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