socalflyboy

Don't you mean ASSigned? By black sheep, are you referring to the side that took some off the street and GAVE them 100k plus a year job? Did I mention off the street?

cadetdrivr

Hmmmm....did all that happen BEFORE or AFTER the merger?

If is was before, then kudos. Take ALL the credit and thanks for the extreme professional courtesy.

If it was after, then the whole concept of "side" and "GAVE" is a bit ridiculous, no?

socalflyboy

Professional courtesy?? Surely you jest...it's funny how it's a courtesy when LCAL does a good thing FOR LUAL folks, but when the coin is flipped to the other side, it's a scab luvin, o.t. time whoring, cowboy trained thing...and yes, it was a gesture of courtesy...they could gave hired off the street..the merger WAS NOT finalized...

pilot64golfer

What courtesy are we talking about?

130drvr

Thankfully I have flown with very positive Captains, several of them LUAL. Almost all are positive and upbeat. I am extremely professional in the cockpit and do my best to make the Captain's job easy. Sure, there are the occasional guys that complain about ISL or lost seniority, but you know what? They don't transfer that negativity onto me as a newhire. History is just that. We each have our personal story and it affects who we are. But maturity allows us to embrace our new comrades without shackling them with the burden of others' history, however turbulent that may be. Because guess what, they have likely experienced just as much career instability, especially the RJ guys, but are actually happy to be here.

Now that does not mean newhires are ready to give away the farm. We were born at night, but not last night. It is extremely arrogant to assume that a newhire cannot appreciate the hard fought battles that have gotten this labor force to where it is today. I may be very appreciative to be here, but I will also be the first to vote for strike if necessary to draw the line.

Bottom line, try to avoid the "12 angry men" approach when newhires brave the keyboard commandos on this board with their enthusiasm and questions.

Disclaimer: twice furloughed at previous 121 carrier, voted for strike at previous employer

jsled

Could have. But the TRANSITION and PROCESS AGREEMENT set the Merger Announcement Date as the Constructive Notice Date. Pretty standard stuff. All off the street hires would have been junior to all the furloughees. I was kinda surprised myself that LCAL didn't hire off the street....given their history.

Sled

cadetdrivr

The merger was announced on May 3, 2010 and closed on Oct 1, 2010. The Transition and Process Agreement, with the employment clause, was bi-directional and signed July 19, 2010 at a time when BOTH airlines had pilots on furlough and BOTH airlines benefited from the development of the "transition plan," flawed as it was.

The hiring of furloughed pilots was not even a consideration pre-merger and not a single furloughed pilot was cross-pollinated until after the merger closed as the first calls to furloughed LUAL pilots went out in August, 2011.

Neither CAL ALPA, UAL ALPA, hire or fire pilots. The company, however was also bound by the scope clause of the UAL (and presumably the CAL) agreement and was going to HAVE to offer employment to furloughed pilots prior to hiring off the street at either subsidiary. Just as it was titled, the TPA was designed to bridge the period until the post-merger integration was complete and it simply specified how it would happen.

Airhoss

Don't confuse him with any facts. He needs to feel that he saved the "other sides" careers. We should thank his micro Jr. 2005 hire self. Just ask him. He, a common line pilot and aerial god, personally saved this airline and in doing so has paid the horrendous price of untold personal sacrifice. He may only hold wide captain for 15 years now instead of the 17 he originally would have held it sans a merger. Thank you oh fair and merciful god of the skies....Thank you!

gettinbumped

Don't bid the 76T. Best plane I've ever flown by FAR, but absolutely will be death for quality of life. You'll get the same pay, and absolutely zero movement for a LONG time. Yes the Hawaii flying is great, but you won't see much or any of it on the 76T. Its simply not worth chasing right now. When they combine the fleets you might see more decent flying on the 757/767 fleet in SFO, and by then you might be reasonably senior. But for now, you'll be MUCH better off on the Bus.

pilot64golfer

The guys I talked to feel they got screwed by having UA furloughees there and not new hires. They felt they could make claim that there wasn't a merger, they were a separate airline, and this would all bump them up. Hence the "April 2013 is when the merger actually happened" nonsense that they came up with in the SLI.

It's really funny because back on October 1st, 2010 CNN (and numerous other new sources) claimed that the merger was "officially done".

United, Continental deal is officially sealed - Oct. 1, 2010

Even Wikipedia thinks it was done October 1st 2010.

Continental Airlines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not only that United put out a press release on that date saying the merger was complete and there was only "One airline".

https://hub.united.com/en-us/news/co...se-merger.aspx

You'd have to be a moron or trying to promote a political agenda to believe or to try to prove that there was not one airline as of October 2010.