Originally Posted by SurfnFlyer

I'm reading folks use "lateral" two ways:
1) Move bases in the same equipment (EWR 756 to DCA 756)
2) Transition aircraft in the same pay band (Fifi to Guppy)

True or False: Case 1) would not incur any kind of freeze and Case 2) would incur a bidding freeze.

Originally Posted by ron kent

The stewardess was his crew meal.

Originally Posted by steve0617

Then why did my wife, who returned from F/O furlough off Fifi in ORD and chose the Guppy in EWR last February (and went through full training), who then lateraled to LAX over the summer, was then on this snapshot for the 777 in SFO?

There was no freeze for her, unless the snapshot lied and she was going to be denied it on the final award. The lateral did not seem to have any impact on her being able to bid upwards long before two years of her Guppy major training.

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Am I reading it wrong what you mean by lateral? I'm assuming you mean a simple base change, but are you referring to seat change? I totally agree, in our situation, if she wanted to lateral back from the Guppy to Fifi, she would be denied as she's frozen on a lateral of the same pay banded seat until two years after the training she had earlier this year.

Originally Posted by pilot64golfer

I think that she is still flying with us.

Originally Posted by pilot64golfer

There are THREE types of freezes.

8-D-1 Equipment Training Freezes
8-D-2 Bidding Freeze
8-D-3 New Equipment Type Freeze

A freeze in ANY ONE of these can stop you from getting an award.

The ONLY one of these freezes that can be canceled by bidding a higher category are 8-D-1 Equipment Training Freezes.

So if you bid a new base (i.e. new to EVERYONE) not just to you, then you are stuck in that seat.

If you bid "laterally" (i.e. don't move up or down in position) that's an 8-D-2 Bidding Freeze. So if you go from Airbus to Guppy FO you can't then bid right out to 756 just because its a higher status.

This is different from the old CBA, because this includes upgrading to Captain. You used to ALWAYS be able to move up to Captain, but not anymore, unless it is in the same equipment you are in (if you are on a bidding or new equipment freeze). So lets say you're a 777 FO and you decide to bid the 787 FO. You now get a 8-D-2 Bidding Freeze. Then a 737 Captain bid opens up and you want to bid it. Well sorry, because you CAN'T because of the freeze.

So be VERY CAREFUL when bidding to the same category of aircraft, because you are going to be there for a few years.

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr

This is true.

In fact, Alaksa Airlines licensed her photo and painted it on the tail of all their airplanes to honor her place in airline history.

Last I heard she was still commuting from BOI to SFO.

Originally Posted by Andy

OK, I'd like to revisit this topic because I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. I reread all of the above sections of the contract and want to make sure I understand.

Let's say I'm a 737FO and I get awarded 756FO. I'm now seat locked for 24 months, but it does not preclude me from bidding/being awarded 777FO, 787FO, or 747FO prior to the 24 month seat lock ending. As long as I keep moving up in pay bands (assuming no new equipment type), I can bid up at any time without any seat locks applying. Is this correct?

Originally Posted by Greg Bockelman

Do the freezes accumulate?