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12-07-2014, 08:42 AM
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Respectfully disagree.
Its not nonsense. Its fact. Read the SLI hearings. They SPECIFICALLY asked the arbitrators to count CAL 767-400 as a jumbo and UALs 757s as narrowbody because of pay banding. That right there PROVED why they did it. They were trying to massage the status and category weighting with OUR contract. This was specifically asked at a union meeting where the union LEC rep said "We are doing this for SLI purposes because contracts come and go but SLI lasts forever" which was taped by a Uhire who was in the meeting.
If pay banding is what "DAL" does then why does DAL pay Airbus more than guppy? And DAL certainly pays 757 more than guppy. Also NO AIRLINE bands 747s and 777s with 767s. Except us.
The creative pay banding was an SLI argument supporter, it failed the Status and Category sniff test, and now we have guys getting paid less than they should in the 757, 777, and 747s. So the reasons for the pay banding are moot because they didn't accomplish what was intended.
Its not nonsense. Its fact. Read the SLI hearings. They SPECIFICALLY asked the arbitrators to count CAL 767-400 as a jumbo and UALs 757s as narrowbody because of pay banding. That right there PROVED why they did it. They were trying to massage the status and category weighting with OUR contract. This was specifically asked at a union meeting where the union LEC rep said "We are doing this for SLI purposes because contracts come and go but SLI lasts forever" which was taped by a Uhire who was in the meeting.
If pay banding is what "DAL" does then why does DAL pay Airbus more than guppy? And DAL certainly pays 757 more than guppy. Also NO AIRLINE bands 747s and 777s with 767s. Except us.
The creative pay banding was an SLI argument supporter, it failed the Status and Category sniff test, and now we have guys getting paid less than they should in the 757, 777, and 747s. So the reasons for the pay banding are moot because they didn't accomplish what was intended.
12-07-2014, 09:22 AM
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And Delta has 767-400 in a LOWER pay band than the 787 which is in a LOWER pay band than the 777 and 747. Ours are all in the same pay band.
And guess what else? ALL our premium pay aircraft pay the same as the DAL 767-400 and DAL pays 787, 777, and 747 MORE.
Because those higher paying equipment were pay banded DOWN to match the 767-400. So when guys say "Its good that more pilots get paid at the highest rate" they clearly don't understand how and why this transpired.
12-07-2014, 09:42 AM
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No. UALs SLI argument was always Jumbo, Mid, Narrow, Furloughed. It never had anything to do with hourly rates of airplanes.
And Delta has 767-400 in a LOWER pay band than the 787 which is in a LOWER pay band than the 777 and 747. Ours are all in the same pay band.
And guess what else? ALL our premium pay aircraft pay the same as the DAL 767-400 and DAL pays 787, 777, and 747 MORE.
Because those higher paying equipment were pay banded DOWN to match the 767-400. So when guys say "Its good that more pilots get paid at the highest rate" they clearly don't understand how and why this transpired.
And Delta has 767-400 in a LOWER pay band than the 787 which is in a LOWER pay band than the 777 and 747. Ours are all in the same pay band.
And guess what else? ALL our premium pay aircraft pay the same as the DAL 767-400 and DAL pays 787, 777, and 747 MORE.
Because those higher paying equipment were pay banded DOWN to match the 767-400. So when guys say "Its good that more pilots get paid at the highest rate" they clearly don't understand how and why this transpired.
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12-10-2014, 08:23 PM
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No. UALs SLI argument was always Jumbo, Mid, Narrow, Furloughed. It never had anything to do with hourly rates of airplanes.
And Delta has 767-400 in a LOWER pay band than the 787 which is in a LOWER pay band than the 777 and 747. Ours are all in the same pay band.
And guess what else? ALL our premium pay aircraft pay the same as the DAL 767-400 and DAL pays 787, 777, and 747 MORE.
Because those higher paying equipment were pay banded DOWN to match the 767-400. So when guys say "Its good that more pilots get paid at the highest rate" they clearly don't understand how and why this transpired.
And Delta has 767-400 in a LOWER pay band than the 787 which is in a LOWER pay band than the 777 and 747. Ours are all in the same pay band.
And guess what else? ALL our premium pay aircraft pay the same as the DAL 767-400 and DAL pays 787, 777, and 747 MORE.
Because those higher paying equipment were pay banded DOWN to match the 767-400. So when guys say "Its good that more pilots get paid at the highest rate" they clearly don't understand how and why this transpired.
UAL rates will always lag the Delta rates by one year. That is how our rates were established.
If you actually compared the UAL 2014 rates to the DAL 2013 you would know that the 747/777 rates are EQUAL.
The 767-400 and 787 are banded UP and pay more than Delta. More importantly the A320 rates is banded UP with the 737 and are SIGNIFICANTLY more than Delta. You never seem very upset by that fact.
To say the 400 747-400 pilots somehow got less from the pay banding is ridiculous. They got Delta -1 year like every other pilot at UAL.
You SHOULD be outraged about the 757/767 pay rates. Those rates lag the Delta -1 year by a pretty good margin. The 76T/756 guys should be the ones that are ****ed off.
12-22-2014, 10:26 PM
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12-23-2014, 09:45 AM
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There's no real formula. It's up to the discretion of the NC and ultimately MEC. Generally, weight supersedes seats because seats are variable (extreme case, imagine if we had WB freighters... we wouldn't accept SNB pay for them). In the present era, mission (long haul vs. domestic), common types (757/767), and evaluating future replacement aircraft are additional factors.
12-23-2014, 09:57 AM
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And sometimes it's just politics or ulterior motives.
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