MIL leave and CASS
11-12-2014, 05:42 AM
#11
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Well don't tell most other companies the "have" to take you out cause it just isn't true.
It's a UCH decision to take you out while on any length of MLOA. Just like it's the companies decision to allow your family to non-rev while your on MLOA.
My company sent me an email after going from furlough to longterm MLOA status informing me that if they wanted to put me into CASS I needed some new fingerprints and copies of my current documents, which I complied with and they added me to CASS while on long term MLOA.
So please do not make excuses for UCH's treatment of long term MLOA (over 30 days) and try to make it sound as if they don't make a choice.
LUV
It's a UCH decision to take you out while on any length of MLOA. Just like it's the companies decision to allow your family to non-rev while your on MLOA.
My company sent me an email after going from furlough to longterm MLOA status informing me that if they wanted to put me into CASS I needed some new fingerprints and copies of my current documents, which I complied with and they added me to CASS while on long term MLOA.
So please do not make excuses for UCH's treatment of long term MLOA (over 30 days) and try to make it sound as if they don't make a choice.
LUV
I know lots of pilots will post they have jump seated on long term mil leave. To a certain extent it's like any other FAR. If you don't get caught no problem. Getting caught could be a big issue.
11-12-2014, 05:42 AM
#12
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Well don't tell most other companies the "have" to take you out cause it just isn't true.
It's a UCH decision to take you out while on any length of MLOA. Just like it's the companies decision to allow your family to non-rev while your on MLOA.
My company sent me an email after going from furlough to longterm MLOA status informing me that if they wanted to put me into CASS I needed some new fingerprints and copies of my current documents, which I complied with and they added me to CASS while on long term MLOA.
So please do not make excuses for UCH's treatment of long term MLOA (over 30 days) and try to make it sound as if they don't make a choice.
LUV
It's a UCH decision to take you out while on any length of MLOA. Just like it's the companies decision to allow your family to non-rev while your on MLOA.
My company sent me an email after going from furlough to longterm MLOA status informing me that if they wanted to put me into CASS I needed some new fingerprints and copies of my current documents, which I complied with and they added me to CASS while on long term MLOA.
So please do not make excuses for UCH's treatment of long term MLOA (over 30 days) and try to make it sound as if they don't make a choice.
LUV
11-12-2014, 06:46 AM
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As far as the FAR goes, it depends on your definition of active employee as MLOA get longevity, retirement contributions and their spot on the sli.
It's not a matter of getting "caught". Apparently Delta sees it differently and has determined that MLOA is active enough for CASS entry. I guess the FEDs have appreciated and condoned it as they have been recognized by USSERRA awards for more than a decade.
11-12-2014, 06:48 AM
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In order to legally Jumpseat regardless of CASS status you do need to be a active employee. If you are on mil leave in excess of 30 days you are no longer a active employee. Delta in the past allowed mil leave jumpseating however you had to occupy a cabin seat and could not ride in the cockpit. It's not about companies being vindictive it's a FAR.
I know lots of pilots will post they have jump seated on long term mil leave. To a certain extent it's like any other FAR. If you don't get caught no problem. Getting caught could be a big issue.
I know lots of pilots will post they have jump seated on long term mil leave. To a certain extent it's like any other FAR. If you don't get caught no problem. Getting caught could be a big issue.
11-12-2014, 07:15 AM
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It's really simple. The FAR requires you to be a current and active employee. It has nothing to do with CASS or mil leave law. I took this up to try and get it changed a long time ago when I was in the reserves. No luck. If you are active duty military they are your employer not the airline you worked for before going on leave. Talk to your Jumpseat guys and have them run it by the FAA. You won't like the answer.
11-12-2014, 12:09 PM
#16
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Well no it wouldn't. A personal LOA is not involuntary, a MLOA is/can be. There are laws governing MLOA. PLOA is a company policy that can be changed at a whim. Just like UCH taking a long term MLOA out of CASS is their decision, not the FAA's or the other majors would be following suit.
Personally I don't think these that are on MLOA should be treated differently from a PLOA because both are doing it for their OWN purposes.
I am not opposed to a MLOA pilot getting jumpseats it would just be best if it was granted to ALL LOA pilots. Also, a LOA pilot of any type should be boarded after all other jumpseaters.
11-12-2014, 11:34 PM
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Being "opposed" or "in favor", I don't really care. I believe that the FAA requires that we be an active employee to JS in the cockpit. It is also sort of a self-policing rule, and if we are caught abusing it, we might all lose the privilege.
11-15-2014, 09:12 AM
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I spoke with the MIL affairs committee and we are able to jumpseat on and offline while on MIL leave. Also, there is a copy of a letter on the ALPA MEC website with specific approval from the POI for pilots on MIL leave to occupy the jumpseat if you are concerned about the legality of it.
11-15-2014, 08:57 PM
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I spoke with the MIL affairs committee and we are able to jumpseat on and offline while on MIL leave. Also, there is a copy of a letter on the ALPA MEC website with specific approval from the POI for pilots on MIL leave to occupy the jumpseat if you are concerned about the legality of it.
Don't try and confuse this situation with facts. Group think is in effect on this thread, and I emphasize the word, "think".
11-16-2014, 05:41 AM
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I spoke with the MIL affairs committee and we are able to jumpseat on and offline while on MIL leave. Also, there is a copy of a letter on the ALPA MEC website with specific approval from the POI for pilots on MIL leave to occupy the jumpseat if you are concerned about the legality of it.
Again a link to the letter would be great. Would be nice to carry a copy if you are correct.
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