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11-10-2014, 02:14 AM
#81
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I disagree with your disagree. I never said DEN was going away. DEN will now assume the mantle of Senior domicile.
11-10-2014, 05:16 AM
#83
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,725
I sure wish Staller would jump in here. I miss his thoughtful insights.
It's future dollars and preservation of dues genius. If Alpo National didn't give you guys your binke, you would be screaming bloody murder for decertification on day one... There will be no winning of any lawsuits.. The damage is done...now go back to hating your life.
Funny that you're lowering yourself to immature name calling, first sign of a losing argument.
Funny that you're lowering yourself to immature name calling, first sign of a losing argument.
Ignorant, opinionated and nasty. Just like we've come to expect here on APC.
11-10-2014, 06:01 AM
#84
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Position: 737 fo
Posts: 908
Bwhaaaa! Really, like this forum is some sacred place of truth?? You guys crack me up. You guys have listed plenty crazy schemes as gospel truth on here. From all of the boogie men that were out to get you, to the 737's were parked for the merger, to the Seniority grab BS... To anything ever posted from Staller. Like proof was ever a requirement to post on this board. Calling him, or anyone out for this is comical. Here is a tip... Don't date someone cause they say they are a French model on the internet. Bon Jour.
11-10-2014, 06:05 AM
#85
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Joined APC: May 2007
Position: A320 Captain
Posts: 1,982
Brucia and Katz are the ones you should be upset with.
Last edited by pilotgolfer; 11-10-2014 at 06:25 AM.
11-10-2014, 06:36 AM
#86
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If you had been on this board over the last year you would know that this topic has been beaten to death. So, could you just tell us the page number of the ISL award that points out that the 2013 lists were the ones utilized and merged in the ISL process? Again, just looking for a reference that supports your position.
11-10-2014, 06:41 AM
#87
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In our considered judgment, both the methodology of the CAL Committee and its
resultant proposed ISL are incompatible with the revised ALPA Merger Policy. Aside
from the windfall inequities generated by using an April 1, 2013 snapshot date, total
disregard of the longevity factor cannot possibly be justified in the factual circumstances
of this case. Not surprisingly, the ISL produced by the CAL Committee's fatally defective
methodology is neither fair nor equitable.
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11-10-2014, 06:51 AM
#88
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Bwhaaaa! Really, like this forum is some sacred place of truth?? You guys crack me up. You guys have listed plenty crazy schemes as gospel truth on here. From all of the boogie men that were out to get you, to the 737's were parked for the merger, to the Seniority grab BS... To anything ever posted from Staller. Like proof was ever a requirement to post on this board. Calling him, or anyone out for this is comical. Here is a tip... Don't date someone cause they say they are a French model on the internet. Bon Jour.
Sorry the internet dating thing didn't work out for you. She's not stalking you now, is she?
11-10-2014, 07:17 AM
#89
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 Cap
Posts: 2,282
You were done a great disservice by your Merger Committee and your lawyer. They managed to covince you that their "1 for 1 until they are done and then staple the rest", "2013 list and include time at Express at mainline" proposal was reasonable. It was not. And you didn't want it to be. Imagine if THAT became merger policy?!!! That would mean if we merge with Alaska thst their newest newhire would instantly be wide body captain seniority. That's ridiculous right?? Well that's the methodology of the LCAL proposal.
Done with this. The simple fact is the list is essentially fair. Their are pilots on both sides who feel like they got screwed. But they didn't. I lost a few years of seniority from DOH, and stayed essentially flat with relative percentage. Not ****ed, not thrilled. But have moved on to newer battles. You and Fool choose not to. Gonna make for a LONG and stressful career my friend. I hope you find some inner peace with it and just move forward.
11-10-2014, 07:18 AM
#90
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There's where you are wrong. Perhaps you need to read the Opinion and Award. CAL certainly requested a 2013 list merge. The Arb's award was based on Oct 2010 lists corrected to 2013 (retirements, reinstatements). Here is what the Arbs said about Cal's plan to use April, 2013...Page 22 of the Opinion and Award.
In our considered judgment, both the methodology of the CAL Committee and its
resultant proposed ISL are incompatible with the revised ALPA Merger Policy. Aside
from the windfall inequities generated by using an April 1, 2013 snapshot date, total
disregard of the longevity factor cannot possibly be justified in the factual circumstances
of this case. Not surprisingly, the ISL produced by the CAL Committee's fatally defective
methodology is neither fair nor equitable.
In our considered judgment, both the methodology of the CAL Committee and its
resultant proposed ISL are incompatible with the revised ALPA Merger Policy. Aside
from the windfall inequities generated by using an April 1, 2013 snapshot date, total
disregard of the longevity factor cannot possibly be justified in the factual circumstances
of this case. Not surprisingly, the ISL produced by the CAL Committee's fatally defective
methodology is neither fair nor equitable.
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