Originally Posted by sleeves

The scab list is a yellow book? Mine was always printed on white paper and I've always called it the scab list. But I guess changing the name of the book is no different then trying to add people to it that are not scabs.

Originally Posted by sleeves

Who you are eluding to are the arbitrators? That is who he has made "false accusations towards"?
So by your logic all posts in the past that have references to Jay Pierce, Jason Baron, the MEC, Jeff Smicak, Tilton, ETC.... That did not have "proof" to back up there claims should have the original poster kicked off?? Good luck with that, most of this board would be gone. What about all the post about the Nic award that are on here? This board is mostly BS. Heck, who even knows if anyone even works here or is even in the industry?

This is what happens in a merger. It will occur for the next 30 years. At CAL we had the opportunity to see it from all the mergers that had made up CAL. Guys would ramble on about New York Air vs People Express Vs Old CAL vs Frontier vs the 90 hires vs Express and everyone vs the Scabs. The only thing worse then listening to it was listening to guys argue about it. Guys are gonna have ideas about how they got screwed. Let them ramble. It's what helps them cope. You are not going to change there mind and it does not matter what anyone thinks anyway. All that mattered is what the arbitrators thought. It's what I do when some 2000 hire starts talkin about how I am in his seat.

Originally Posted by CousinEddie

Not sure what you don't understand here. If I pointed you out by your real name, claimed that you were involved in illegal activity (when there was zero evidence you were), you would be just fine with that and not mind if it continued?

Obviously I'm not a fan of Jay or Jason. Accusing them of not acting in good faith as a union leader is one thing. Accusing them of actually breaking the law on this forum is quite another. For that, a poster absolutely deserves to get booted.

Originally Posted by sleeves

What you are describing is called liable. It matters not if the person is falsely accusing someone else of illegal activity. It only needs to be false and due harm. Legal Dictionary | Law.com
I would not be happy if someone were to defame me on here but, like I said, it happens here all the time. The fact that you pick one facet of defamation, liable, and condone slander is interesting. Also interesting is the fact you are ok with many other equally harmful facets of liable.

Originally Posted by oldmako

Only if its libelous, calumnious, defamatory or slanderous.

Originally Posted by svergin

Is "liable" anything like "libel"?

Originally Posted by oldmako

Please tell us you're joking Sleeves. Here's a hint, cordle is in the yellow book.




`Scab,` United Pilot Share Same Dream
May 30, 1985|By James Coates, Chicago Tribune.


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DENVER — To striking United Airlines pilot Jan Bolinger, fellow pilot V.D. Cordle is a ``scab.``

And Cordle, hired since most of United`s 5,200 pilots went on strike May 17, said he thinks Bolinger is ``wrong, just dead wrong--even morally wrong`` to picket his employer.

It is possible that someday, after the current strike is history, Cordle and Bolinger will share a cockpit on a United passenger flight.

But that day will come only after the nation`s largest passenger airline passes through the current bitterness, with pilots fearing that the company is engaged in union busting and company officials insisting that United cannot survive today`s intense competition if the union`s demands are met.

No new talks have been scheduled since negotiations broke off Saturday over back-to-work issues.

To Cordle, the strike boils down to a chance to realize a dream.

``I want to work for United Airlines very much,`` he said. ``I want it so bad that I`m willing to risk some animosity in the cockpit. But,`` he added,

``I also hope that doesn`t come.``

To Bolinger, recently rehired at United after being laid off for four years, the stakes are a dream lost if the company goes through with threats to hire a force of ``permanent replacement pilots`` like Cordle.

Interviewed while walking a picket line outside United`s Denver Training Center while Cordle was inside training to become a United captain, Bolinger said, ``I love working for United Airlines, and I want very much to go back to work just as soon as possible.

``But,`` he added, ``I also think we (with United jobs) have a duty to see to it that people in the future also can come to work here under the same conditions as we did.``

The central strike issue is United`s demand that the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) accept a ``two-tier`` salary schedule in which cockpit crew members hired in the future will not be paid as much as those who were hired in the past.

Of Cordle, Bolinger said, ``I want him to join us at United, too. But I want him to walk through the front door, not the scab route.``

The conflict between Bolinger and Cordle promises to be played out again and again in the Mile High City as United executives bluntly press to replace the striking cockpit crew members with what company chairman Richard Ferris calls ``permanent replacement pilots.`` Corporate executives said in interviews that the company has drafted a 10-month plan to return to pre-strike volume by steping up the numbers of new pilots being trained here and increasing the work load of nonstriking pilots.

Ed Neilson, United`s chief lobbyist, said the modernistic United training complex on the edge of Denver`s Stapleton International Airport is the world`s largest such facility.

It can ``theoretically`` train as many as 600 pilots in a single month, although the company`s plans call for processing about 300 a month, he said.

At one of many press conferences he held in Denver, Ferris explained that the company has calculated that it can fly its complete schedule with a work force of only 3,400 pilots instead of the 5,200 who had jobs before the strike.

The schedules would be met by requiring each pilot to fly 100 hours a month instead of the 81 hours pilots flew under the now-expired contract with ALPA.

Pilots are limited by FAA rules to 100 hours of flying a month and 1,000 hours a year.

``We have the capability of training 600 pilots per month, but let`s assume we train only 300 per month,`` Ferris said. ``What I`m saying is in 10 months I will have this airline totally back up.``

Amplifying the corporate chief`s remarks, Neilson explained that the strategy focuses on recruiting pilots qualified to operate United`s fleet of 737, 727, 747, 767, DC-8 and DC-10 airplanes who now are working elsewhere.

He said the company has identified 1,000 pilots from a ``pool`` of more than 5,000 applicants qualified to operate those aircraft, which are designated FAR 121 planes.

Although that large number of applicants includes current employees of all the major airlines, Neilson indicated that the company`s hopes of finding strike breakers focuses on hiring less well-paid fliers who work for various freight carriers, small commuter lines and charter operations.

United has placed newspaper ads in Chicago and New York offering FAR 121- qualified people $75,000 as captains and $50,000 as first officers.

Corble said he left a job as a freight pilot for Emory Lines to hire on as a United replacement captain. With 11 years on the job and 6,000 hours in flying time, Corble said he was ``doubling my salary`` by taking the $75,000 a year United package.

A second pilot who was with Corble in a training booth during the interview but who asked not to be identified said, ``I work for an outfit in the Northeast, and let me tell you about the job.

``There is no vacation. You work nights and nights only. They change your base whenever they want to. You can come home to Atlanta and be told to move to Albany overnight and nobody talks about moving expenses.

``And, when we take these planes on runs to Europe, we keep running into guys who think we got great jobs. I don`t think Mr. Ferris is going to have trouble finding people who are very eager to come to work right now,`` he said.

Originally Posted by gettinbumped

Look at "Ask the Capt. Getline"!