OET class...Surprised.
11-01-2014, 06:00 AM
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11-01-2014, 03:55 PM
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TOTALLY agree, and by "we" I meant United... not the pilots. The message to management at the standards meeting was loud and clear that the "policy plan" of 60 min REMF (assuming no ALT/CF) would be much easier to achieve if it started out from dispatch as a policy FP rather than expecting pilots to call and ask to lower the fuel. We were told that they too would be attending the OET class, which should help. All in all, I personally think that Sabre is a much better product than what we used to have. But this is one area where it is weak... having to run a whole new plan to add gas. I believe we were told there is a fix coming for that, but I could have been spacing out.
Finally, in no way shape or form do I advocate saving gas for management. Don't care a lick about them. There are many reasons I advocate being efficient; environmental, less powerful Middle Eastern nations, professional pride, profit sharing, leaving a more viable airline for those coming behind, wasting a finite resource, establishing a baseline of how we CAN run an airline so that in the future if we need to show how much we can effect efficiency we can and our value is more noticeable (wink wink C2017), proving to the bean counters the A320 IS efficient and should be kept around (already working and instead of a 2015 retirement the fleet is now looking at 2028), helping the bean counters see the mainline fleet can be efficient enough to warrant used narrow bodies instead of RJ's. None of those reasons involve me caring about helping Jeff look good. That's just collateral damage
Finally, in no way shape or form do I advocate saving gas for management. Don't care a lick about them. There are many reasons I advocate being efficient; environmental, less powerful Middle Eastern nations, professional pride, profit sharing, leaving a more viable airline for those coming behind, wasting a finite resource, establishing a baseline of how we CAN run an airline so that in the future if we need to show how much we can effect efficiency we can and our value is more noticeable (wink wink C2017), proving to the bean counters the A320 IS efficient and should be kept around (already working and instead of a 2015 retirement the fleet is now looking at 2028), helping the bean counters see the mainline fleet can be efficient enough to warrant used narrow bodies instead of RJ's. None of those reasons involve me caring about helping Jeff look good. That's just collateral damage
11-02-2014, 12:11 PM
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That sounds pretty far fetched considering what would have to be programmed and updated whenever a pilot moves or changes status. Makes a nice conspiracy theory though.
I have heard this kind of thing many times over the years, pilots who add more fuel by base, pilots who fly faster by age, gender, geographic location, commuter status,etc.... What I have never heard in all those years is a pilot being disciplined for any of the rumored fuel, flight time, burn actions.
I think the dispatchers have more than enough on their plates as it is. I know a couple and will ask them next time I have occasion to speak with them.
I have heard this kind of thing many times over the years, pilots who add more fuel by base, pilots who fly faster by age, gender, geographic location, commuter status,etc.... What I have never heard in all those years is a pilot being disciplined for any of the rumored fuel, flight time, burn actions.
I think the dispatchers have more than enough on their plates as it is. I know a couple and will ask them next time I have occasion to speak with them.
11-02-2014, 12:20 PM
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Also, apparently it's okay for a dispatcher to pad, but if you want to pad, then you are not seeing the big picture,
Also, apparently certain dispatchers/dispatcher are monitoring the fuel habits of commuters and reporting this to FODMs/Chief Pilots,
Also, don't expect LAX to grow if not shrink as it is a "fragmented" market,
Also, apparently certain dispatchers/dispatcher are monitoring the fuel habits of commuters and reporting this to FODMs/Chief Pilots,
Also, don't expect LAX to grow if not shrink as it is a "fragmented" market,
Which class did you attend?
This "apparently" is very confusing.
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