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Old 10-15-2014, 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by krudawg
Whew; my head hurts. Can someone translate this into something understandable like how would this compare in dollars to previous profit sharing payouts pilots received.

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Originally Posted by El Guapo
About what % of our W2 can we expect for profit sharing if UA ends the year with a 1.5B profit?
Record Profits ... just in time for a decrease in Profit Sharing clause to kick in with this POS Contract!

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For profit-sharing based on the years 2012 and 2013, the Company profit sharing plan shall be funded with fifteen percent (15%) of pre-tax profit.

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For profit-sharing based on the years 2014 and beyond, the Company profit sharing
plan shall be funded with ten percent (10%) of pre-tax profit up to a pre-tax margin of six and nine-tenths percent (6.9%) plus twenty percent (20%) of pre-tax profit in excess of a pre-tax margin of six and nine-tenths percent (6.9%).

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If the co makes less than 10.4%. Then we lose. If they make more than 10.4% we win. With reguards to previous years.
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I would estimate around 1.4 times what you got last year. Maybe more if we have a good Q4.
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Wait, so because my hire date was a few days after January 1st, I get zero PS for the entire year?
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:25 AM
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Wait, so because my hire date was a few days after January 1st, I get zero PS for the entire year?
Yep. It's not prorated. Sad.
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Old 10-17-2014, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by JetBlast77
Wait, so because my hire date was a few days after January 1st, I get zero PS for the entire year?
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Yep. It's not prorated. Sad.
That's pretty beat. Not to rub salt in the wound, but new hires at Delta get profit sharing based on their earnings for the year. Even if they only flew in December.
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Old 10-17-2014, 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
That's pretty beat. Not to rub salt in the wound, but new hires at Delta get profit sharing based on their earnings for the year. Even if they only flew in December.
I seriously don't know how we let this happen, other than its not a Pilot Agreement problem, but a company policy problem. Apparently the UPA gives us the percentage of profit sharing, but the company policy controls who gets it, and apparently the laws in different states and the laws in other countries, etc that sometimes drive why United management handles employees.
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It sounds more like short sightedness on management's part, not seeing the discord it can cause between new hires and others. Does the policy also hold true for other divisions, or just flight ops?
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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
It sounds more like short sightedness on management's part, not seeing the discord it can cause between new hires and others. Does the policy also hold true for other divisions, or just flight ops?
Its company wide. Back in 2000 I was in charge of one of the company employee committees and we would put programs like this together with senior management and we kept running into problems with laws of other countries that either prohibited what we wanted to do or would hurt the employee in a foreign country, maybe because of their tax structure, etc, so these rules become VERY weird. But I'll bet there is some state or country that has a problem with "profit sharing" or other benefits for non-full-year employees so the blanket policy of "must be a full year employee" applies to everyone, even though it makes little sense to us.
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