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#31
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Uhh ... no. It's a result of what L-UAL brought to the table. The fruits of the merger that so many of you were (and still are) hungry for wasn't to be had until there was a JCBA ... during the time from OMD to effective date of the JCBA, UCH managed TWO separate pilot groups under TWO separate contracts ... the CAL contract grew pilots jobs, while the UAL contract didn't ... even if UCH wanted to grow the UAL side, the L-UAL contract DIDN'T ALLOW IT ... you can thank the MP change for the delay extracting your windfall and having to sleep in the bed you made (err living with the contract you brought to the table) ... Now back to the regularly scheduled humptity bumpity programming.
Sepda,
Guys like you make my life easier. Putt'er there buddy.
#32
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#33
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You have never met me, don't know a damn thing about me, and certainly have never seen me ... enough with the personal attacks.
And before you jump to another false conclusion, I get the playing two sides/divide and conquer sh** ... and I wear mY ALPA pin.
You have never met me, don't know a damn thing about me, and certainly have never seen me ... enough with the personal attacks.
And before you jump to another false conclusion, I get the playing two sides/divide and conquer sh** ... and I wear mY ALPA pin.
#35
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Not meant to be divisive ... and not revisionist ... tell me, before May 2010, what was life like at UAL??? Where you taking delivery of new airplanes, opening new routes, adding pilot jobs?? CAL was. CAL contract protected 100% of block hours in the event of a merger, how about UAL? In the interim between OMD and UPA becoming effective, CAL block hours held steady ... and UAL feel slightly ... jobs followed WHAT EACH SIDE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. And I don't need to know much more about you to know that when the time comes again, you'll have no problem taking what's not yours ... well, to be fair, the arbs gave you what wasn't yours.
#37
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We will see if this next contract actually passes on its merits and not because of politics.
#38
The next contract will be interesting. Many of the "no" voters were not voting on the merits of the contract, but trying to delay to squeeze out some more Captain bids. Many of the "yes" voters were not voting on the merits of the contract, but voting to stop the windfall.
#39
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As far as adding pilot jobs we were in the same position as CAL, both with pilots on furlough. All hiring and movement that happened 2010-2013 was a post-merger phenomenon. It would likely not have happened without the merger. You really think CAL was going to open bases in DEN, ORD, LAX, and SFO? Really? United bases. United passengers. United flying.
Most importantly we had the cash to backstop the orders for jets, which ended up being used for all the CAL deliveries.
CAL had NO GROWTH aircraft on order. Only replacements. Read the SLI award. No one bought the "double counting" of airplanes (i.e. what was on property plus orders and not counting retirements)
Smisek said CAL would "cease to exist" without the merger, and they were living "hand to mouth" (United had just had 9 straight profitable quarters) so no one buys the revisionist history that CAL was this exploding airline with tons of opportunity, etc.
#40
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Not meant to be divisive ... and not revisionist ... tell me, before May 2010, what was life like at UAL??? Where you taking delivery of new airplanes, opening new routes, adding pilot jobs?? CAL was. CAL contract protected 100% of block hours in the event of a merger, how about UAL? In the interim between OMD and UPA becoming effective, CAL block hours held steady ... and UAL feel slightly ... jobs followed WHAT EACH SIDE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE. And I don't need to know much more about you to know that when the time comes again, you'll have no problem taking what's not yours ... well, to be fair, the arbs gave you what wasn't yours.
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