Lineholder Deviation from Deadhead
10-06-2014, 05:28 PM
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Lineholder Deviation from Deadhead
I'm looking at November bids and there are multiple pairings with deadhead on the front and back of the trip to cover another domicile's flying (not sure why it's not TDY).
Can someone help me with the procedure for a line holder deviating from scheduled deadhead and the gotchas I may encounter deviating (single leg, hub to hub).
1.) Do I just wait until the pairing is assigned, then call futures to change the deadhead (they put FAKE in the deadhead segments?).
2.) What is the affect on pay? I'm still paid the DH time in the original pairing, right?
3.) What is the impact on the hotel transportation and hotel? Do the reservations disappear with a deviation? Anyway to preserve transportation of hotel when deviating?
I've read the contractual language but would appreciate hearing how the company is (trying) to administer the section.
Many Thanks!
Can someone help me with the procedure for a line holder deviating from scheduled deadhead and the gotchas I may encounter deviating (single leg, hub to hub).
1.) Do I just wait until the pairing is assigned, then call futures to change the deadhead (they put FAKE in the deadhead segments?).
2.) What is the affect on pay? I'm still paid the DH time in the original pairing, right?
3.) What is the impact on the hotel transportation and hotel? Do the reservations disappear with a deviation? Anyway to preserve transportation of hotel when deviating?
I've read the contractual language but would appreciate hearing how the company is (trying) to administer the section.
Many Thanks!
10-06-2014, 06:32 PM
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Just did this last week, and will again this week.
FAKE means you did something different, but the pay remains the same. I think of it as a marker for Payroll.
First time I tried this, she approved my deviation and deadhead, but cancelled the hotel at the start of the trip. Ooops; and I didn't notice it until I got to my layover. Called back; someone else fixed it.
On the back end, I didn't want the hotel. They cancelled it for me.
Both say FAKE in the pairing, but each time they mod'd it, the last letter in my pairing ID changed (A, B, C).
I thought you started with Pilot Service Center on the back end, schedules on the front. Wrong, at least last week. Schedules first (both front and back end) to make the FAKE. Then, PSC to approve the company biz travel.
FAKE means you did something different, but the pay remains the same. I think of it as a marker for Payroll.
First time I tried this, she approved my deviation and deadhead, but cancelled the hotel at the start of the trip. Ooops; and I didn't notice it until I got to my layover. Called back; someone else fixed it.
On the back end, I didn't want the hotel. They cancelled it for me.
Both say FAKE in the pairing, but each time they mod'd it, the last letter in my pairing ID changed (A, B, C).
I thought you started with Pilot Service Center on the back end, schedules on the front. Wrong, at least last week. Schedules first (both front and back end) to make the FAKE. Then, PSC to approve the company biz travel.
10-06-2014, 06:35 PM
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1) Do NOT wait to schedule deviation...as soon as pairing is assigned (ie. on your schedule). Go to flying together and book PS5D business travel. Go to United.com and assign seats. Then call...scheduling for deviation approval at beginning of pairing and pilot service center if DH at end of pairing.
-Do this early to insure seat availability!!
Once FAKE is on schedule...call PSS for travel authorization.
2)no affect on pay. You are protected for original DH scheduled block time.
3)no impact on hotel...you must tell scheduling if you want to keep hotel room.
-you will loose hotel travel voucher for day of FAKE...you retain travel voucher for day of departure (getting to airport)
I do this every week....PM me if you need more info
-Do this early to insure seat availability!!
Once FAKE is on schedule...call PSS for travel authorization.
2)no affect on pay. You are protected for original DH scheduled block time.
3)no impact on hotel...you must tell scheduling if you want to keep hotel room.
-you will loose hotel travel voucher for day of FAKE...you retain travel voucher for day of departure (getting to airport)
I do this every week....PM me if you need more info
10-06-2014, 06:43 PM
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I disagree. I live in a domicile that I can't yet hold, so have to commute to EWR and I often use deviation as a commuting tool as well. I have spoken to crew schedulers about it and learned to be very careful deviating.
1- Give your self some delay buffer and a backup flight if deviating to work a flight of first day. Deviation is treated as a commute (with confirmed seat), not a DH. If your deviation flight is delayed or canceled you can be "out of position" and get into trouble.
2- If you deviate on first day onto an overnight (where you actually don't work the first day) the company does not have to provide you transportation to the hotel (you may have to pay for a cab on your own) - hopefully it isn't a downtown hotel.
3- At the end of your trip, if you misconnect to your deviation flight, or if it gets canceled and you have no more way home you are stuck on your own (need buy your own hotel.) The company will give you a hotel if your DH cancels, but not your deviation.
Once they change your DH to a FAKE is very unlikely they will be able to change it back to a DH (they gave away your DH seat already.)
So in summary, wait until the night prior or day of travel to setup your deviation (be sure it is not canceled and you won't misconnect) and remember to treat it like a commute with confirmed seat - you are still responsible to make your sign in.
1- Give your self some delay buffer and a backup flight if deviating to work a flight of first day. Deviation is treated as a commute (with confirmed seat), not a DH. If your deviation flight is delayed or canceled you can be "out of position" and get into trouble.
2- If you deviate on first day onto an overnight (where you actually don't work the first day) the company does not have to provide you transportation to the hotel (you may have to pay for a cab on your own) - hopefully it isn't a downtown hotel.
3- At the end of your trip, if you misconnect to your deviation flight, or if it gets canceled and you have no more way home you are stuck on your own (need buy your own hotel.) The company will give you a hotel if your DH cancels, but not your deviation.
Once they change your DH to a FAKE is very unlikely they will be able to change it back to a DH (they gave away your DH seat already.)
So in summary, wait until the night prior or day of travel to setup your deviation (be sure it is not canceled and you won't misconnect) and remember to treat it like a commute with confirmed seat - you are still responsible to make your sign in.
10-06-2014, 10:24 PM
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Call scheduling as soon as trip is on your schedule and advise of your intention to deviate, they ll put a "fake" on your pairing front/back/both. Then once you have made your PS5D booking, you need to have the PNR authorized (or you won t be able to check in).
If dh at the beginning, call scheduling to authorize pnr, if at the end call pss.
You can select your seat on united.com as soon as the pnr is created.
As far as waiting till the day before / day of, be careful, if the flight is full or oversold you won t be able to list for it!
You can also do a 2 leg fake dh if needed.
Hotel should stay, transportation to hotel at the beginning of trip is on you however.
On fake dh, you can still expense direct tv or wifi, buy on board food is on you though.
If dh at the beginning, call scheduling to authorize pnr, if at the end call pss.
You can select your seat on united.com as soon as the pnr is created.
As far as waiting till the day before / day of, be careful, if the flight is full or oversold you won t be able to list for it!
You can also do a 2 leg fake dh if needed.
Hotel should stay, transportation to hotel at the beginning of trip is on you however.
On fake dh, you can still expense direct tv or wifi, buy on board food is on you though.
10-07-2014, 02:21 PM
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Wait? Don't wait?
You can make the pos space booking, select your seat on united.com and then hold off getting it authorized (up to 72 hours) . That way you can get a seat tied up but not commit to deviating until the last minute.
Also, when getting crew desk to approve your deviation, have them authorize your booking during the same call.
The front end dh AND back end dh can be in the same booking.
You can make the pos space booking, select your seat on united.com and then hold off getting it authorized (up to 72 hours) . That way you can get a seat tied up but not commit to deviating until the last minute.
Also, when getting crew desk to approve your deviation, have them authorize your booking during the same call.
The front end dh AND back end dh can be in the same booking.
10-07-2014, 02:27 PM
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Wait? Don't wait?
You can make the pos space booking, select your seat on united.com and then hold off getting it authorized (up to 72 hours) . That way you can get a seat tied up but not commit to deviating until the last minute.
Also, when getting crew desk to approve your deviation, have them authorize your booking during the same call.
The front end dh AND back end dh can be in the same booking.
You can make the pos space booking, select your seat on united.com and then hold off getting it authorized (up to 72 hours) . That way you can get a seat tied up but not commit to deviating until the last minute.
Also, when getting crew desk to approve your deviation, have them authorize your booking during the same call.
The front end dh AND back end dh can be in the same booking.
Regarding wait, don't wait, you need to weight your risks. if it is an early deviation you can book your deviation as early as possible. If it is the last flight of the day, I would rather make sure the flight is going before giving up the DH (and the hotel protection).
And they can always take away the seat you picked and move you on a PS. Last week I had a bulkhead and just before boarding I noticed I got moved to a seat further back. After asking the gate agent they said that a passenger chose to pay for the bulkhead so they moved me.
10-08-2014, 12:38 AM
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Yes CS still approves your deviation, this is what putting the "fake" means. PSS only authorize your pnr. When you call the pss, they ll usually ask if cs has put a fake on your pairing; they are essentially asking if cs has approved the deviation before they authorize the pnr
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