oldmako

Apparently successfully conjugating verbs is no longer a requirement at UA.

SpecialTracking

syd111

To a CP, he now has an interview.

F15andMD11

Your profile show's you are a RJ FO, where'd you get your PIC time? I'm trying to figure out what you are trying to say. Are you saying your resume was placed on top of pilots with international experience, or that you have it? Regardless, your military comment was all it took to get me to walk into CPO and schedule an appointment for my buddy. I'll be damned if an RJ FO gets ahead of a career military pilot . To burst your bubble, your resume "ahead" of others was the stack of paper resumes you saw. The computer that sorts your profile knows no resume.

SUX4U

I usually respect your comments and feel you have a level head when you post. However I gotta say your comment regarding RJ FO's with this post you sound like either A) you have been drinking (Not a bad thing) or B) have a serious ax to grind against guys getting hired you deem are not deserving of a spot at United compared to your military friends. The rest of your post as usual was spot on, who cares where he saw the resume land on a stack when its the computer that makes the call.

Harrier Dude

My friend got the call, too. It's not a cause and effect scenario. My CP said unequivocally that the days of "walking a resume' in" to get an interview for a buddy are long gone. It's the computer that makes the picks. You can bring your buddy (one) in for a meet and greet, and odds are that the CP will write him a rec that will help, but my CP told me that he has guys that he has known for years (kids of his buddies) that he has written on and been pushing that haven't been picked for an interview because of the computer.

I'm not suggesting that getting a buddy a meet and greet with the chief pilot doesn't help. Quite the opposite. I'm sure that it does. Like I said, I did it myself.

What I'm saying is that it's no longer possible to just walk in your buddy's resume' to the CP and "get him an interview". Is that what you did? Or did you get a CP meet and greet like everybody else?

Having said that, you are almost certainly senior to me at UAL, and if you know a way to do that, then that's great. Maybe I just haven't been shown the secret handshake yet. I am, but a lowly FO freshly off my probationary year, after all.

But everybody that I've asked...senior training department guys, the chief pilot at my base, and various muckety mucks on high have told me that the computer picks the candidates. All anybody can do is write a rec and get you moved into the "short stack".

And if anybody thinks that the stack of resume's on any particular CP's desk is "the stack", then I have a bridge to sell you.

oldmako

So a guy who has ten (or perhaps even15 years) of 121 flying into the nations major hubs has nothing to offer UA? Is that correct? There's more than one way to skin a cat in this game.

Commuter airlines have come and gone drastically since 2000. As such, there are plenty of FO's with thousands of hours of PIC 121.

F15andMD11

My line of thought is more along the line of "paying dues." There is no doubt an RJ FO can follow a taxi route in ORD while I sit in penalty box trying to figure it out. Just jealous I guess that us military pilots are that much older.

oldmako

I was 40 when hired and I wasn't the oldest guy in my class. I was one of four civilian types with 19 MIL guys. I understand your age angst, but consider that there won't be many RJ drivers coming to UA with any type of pension or future health care benefits (as compared to MIL guys with a long career). There are advantages and disadvantages to both paths to the majors.

FWIW, UAL has been the easiest and least demanding flying job I've ever had, by far. Most RJ pukes have paid their dues in spades.

cencal83406

Well, thanks to the choice that civvie pilots made, they might not have a pension, for example, to make the sting of regional pay worth it. So, being an FO for 7+ years at a regional is a fair amount of dues paid. $37.36/flight hour top scale at some of these joints. At guarantee, that's $33,624/year before taxes.