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09-18-2014, 06:27 AM

#111

JoePatroni

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Originally Posted by Pkcola

Got yourself wrapped around spelling error.

I used the collective we in the same way I have always used JP to describe you CAL guys. We(UAL pilot collective) thought about stapling the CAL pilots to the bottom, but JP(CAL pilots) actually tried to staple a number of UAL pilots to the bottom of the seniority list.

The arbitration was well documented. If you look in the opening letters, I think you'll find who the bad guys were and what the bad guys tried to do.

Whatever.....keep digging.

09-18-2014, 07:12 AM

#112

Airhoss

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Originally Posted by Airhoss

17 years on property. Never been furloughed. Been a captain, instructor, line holding wide body F/O. And currently find myself over 3,000 numbers junior to an L CAL guy who was hired within 6 months of myself.

Now exactly how did you get screwed over?

Still waiting (while sitting on reserve in the right seat of the 76T)for your answer skippy...

09-18-2014, 07:52 AM

#113

cadetdrivr

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Originally Posted by Flint Stone

Back to the original topic, SCABs. I still carry a paper copy of the Eastern SCAB list. Don't you guys have a paper copy you can carry with you? If so how can I get one as I want to help out by not offering them a ride!

Google "pilot scab list" and I bet the first couple results are PDF versions that you can print or store on your personal electronic device of choice.

09-18-2014, 08:03 AM

#114

JoePatroni

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Originally Posted by Pkcola

It's about time you gave up Darrell. There was never a "smoking gun". You just lost - Sorry!

The more you dig, the dumber you look. Just say you said something stupid, it made no sense, and move on.

09-18-2014, 09:21 AM

#115

Blockoutblockin

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Originally Posted by Pkcola

Ok Darrell, I tried to keep you on the high road. Sometimes you just have to let people self-destruct and drive off the road all together. It started with half-truths, taking things out of context to bash, now name calling. What's next out-and-out lying?

How you can live with that overage juvenile deliquent, I'll never know.
Mel Bakersfeld

09-18-2014, 04:14 PM

#116

XHooker

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Originally Posted by Pkcola

It's like accepting a contract for a member union. How can ALPA National turn down a request to sign-off on a contract voted in by the rank-in-file. They can make request but that's about it. The CAL pilots made the decision to allow their scabs in their union - ALPA signed-off at the request of the CAL pilots. That's how it works. If not, the CAL pilots would not have been accepted by ALPA.

You said it a post above - need to accept responsibility and not blame ALPA for one's own actions.

I'm not "blaming" ALPA for anything... just stating the facts. I'll keep this simple: The IACP (CALs internal union) had scab members. The IACP and ALPA decided a merger was in both of their best interests. ALPA took all IACP members, including the scabs, as members in good standing. ALPA could have decided to not merge with the IACP and some stood against it, while others held their nose and supported the merger, scabs and all. I'll say it again, ALPA had the final say. Why do you insist on denying what we all know to be true?

09-18-2014, 04:21 PM

#117

XHooker

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Originally Posted by Airhoss

Hoss, years after age 65 retirements began again, I've got more pilots in front of me in my BES than I did on the day of the merger announcement in May 2010. Most of us on both sides have a story about how we got screwed. Time for all of us to move on. Some won't and will make their lives and those of anyone near enough to hear them complain miserable. Don't be one of them.

09-18-2014, 04:28 PM

#118

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Originally Posted by XHooker

Amen. Time to move on.

Oh look they're hiring 1300 pilots . . . yeah but they're all junior to me so who cares . . .

Come on. Yes life sucks and then you die, but ya gotta smile at something once in a while.

09-18-2014, 05:07 PM

#119

Airhoss

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Originally Posted by XHooker

Actually you should be making this comment to Baseball. He is the one who is whining about how he got skrewed on the ISL. I was simply asking him a question. And that question was compared to my circumstances HOW did you get screwed Baseball? I really want to know as he keeps bringing it up.

I am not complaining, just keeping it real for a dude like BB...

09-19-2014, 01:32 AM

#120

pilot64golfer

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Originally Posted by XHooker

Hoss, years after age 65 retirements began again, I've got more pilots in front of me in my BES than I did on the day of the merger announcement in May 2010.

That's not because of SLI. That's because of the merger in general and changes in staffing. Keep in mind that pilots junior to you in your BES bailed and went to DEN, ORD, LAX, SFO, and IAD and that created vacancies in turn that led to other pilots who happened to have more seniority come into your BES.

For every guy that is in your situation, there is a guy who is now flying out of a base that wasn't available to them pre-merger. Not good for you if you stayed in base, good for the other guy who now doesn't have a 2,000 mile commute maybe.

I'm in the same boat Hoss is in, having been able to hold Captain pre-merger somewhere for 11 years (since 1999), but post-merger, not able on any bids until recently because they were all going to LCAL pilots in LUAL bases.

I'm also guessing that the LUAL pilot one below you on the seniority list has more longevity, so why don't you give him a call and let him know that he got a great deal in the SLI somehow.