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09-17-2014, 04:51 AM
#91
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This is my biggest beef.................
Yes it was stolen. It most certainly was.
ALPA puts the pilots in a box, backs them into a corner and tells them you can have option A, or option B. You choose, you pick, you vote.
Let's see option A; you get furloughed, you go away, your job is outsourced, you lose your retirement, you get B scale wages, etc,
Option B: you give a good portion of your career away to the regionals, and you never get it back, and those pilots behind you who want a mainline career never get one, and if they do, it is 10 years behind schedule in their career expectations.
Ok, your right, that was a choice. Not much of one anyway. Way to go ALPA. Basically, Lorenzo's model is still alive and well. Divide and conquer. ALPA still is behind the bean counters and the Harvard MBA's.
Yes it was stolen. It most certainly was.
ALPA puts the pilots in a box, backs them into a corner and tells them you can have option A, or option B. You choose, you pick, you vote.
Let's see option A; you get furloughed, you go away, your job is outsourced, you lose your retirement, you get B scale wages, etc,
Option B: you give a good portion of your career away to the regionals, and you never get it back, and those pilots behind you who want a mainline career never get one, and if they do, it is 10 years behind schedule in their career expectations.
Ok, your right, that was a choice. Not much of one anyway. Way to go ALPA. Basically, Lorenzo's model is still alive and well. Divide and conquer. ALPA still is behind the bean counters and the Harvard MBA's.
09-17-2014, 04:54 AM
#92
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ALPA has dashed the dreams along time ago. What dreams? This is no longer a career, it's just a job. Fly your trip, go home and forget about it. All I really had left was the hope of a fair and equitable seniority integration, that didn't happen, so screw it. ALPA can kiss my arse.
09-17-2014, 08:54 AM
#94
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I'm not taking anything out of context, I just don't see your rationale for stapling a relatively healthy airline bringing plenty of equipment/jobs to the bottom of anything. When you say "we" I think you are including an awful lot of people that would tell you that you're insane. Personally, I'm satisfied with the outcome.
09-17-2014, 09:25 AM
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From my prior post "We thought it was fair to staple every CAL pilot to the bottom of our senority list but deep inside we knew what the right thing was to do."
I'm very happy with the outcome as well. And I stand by my claim that you are taking my comment out of context to start a pi$$ing contest. Bring it on!
I'm very happy with the outcome as well. And I stand by my claim that you are taking my comment out of context to start a pi$$ing contest. Bring it on!
09-17-2014, 10:05 AM
#96
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Third, ALPA needs to get membership "buy in" and membership "direction" on how to handle the regional issue. Our members do not drive the ship at all on this matter. I have seen ALPA over the last 20 years tell us members how we need to bring in the regionals under the ALPA umbrella to solve the problem, but all that did was result in a conflict of interest and of course more dues dollars for ALPA. Meanwhile, the Legacy and mainline carriers negotiate against ourselves with our own dues money while funding the regionals contract negotiations and contract maintenance. We pay for them to play. ALPA isn't wearing the pants, and the pilots most certainly are not driving the ship.
09-17-2014, 10:12 AM
#97
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ALPA puts the pilots in a box, backs them into a corner and tells them you can have option A, or option B. You choose, you pick, you vote.
Let's see option A; you get furloughed, you go away, your job is outsourced, you lose your retirement, you get B scale wages, etc,
Option B: you give a good portion of your career away to the regionals, and you never get it back, and those pilots behind you who want a mainline career never get one, and if they do, it is 10 years behind schedule in their career expectations.
Ok, your right, that was a choice. Not much of one anyway. Way to go ALPA. Basically, Lorenzo's model is still alive and well. Divide and conquer. ALPA still is behind the bean counters and the Harvard MBA's.
Let's see option A; you get furloughed, you go away, your job is outsourced, you lose your retirement, you get B scale wages, etc,
Option B: you give a good portion of your career away to the regionals, and you never get it back, and those pilots behind you who want a mainline career never get one, and if they do, it is 10 years behind schedule in their career expectations.
Ok, your right, that was a choice. Not much of one anyway. Way to go ALPA. Basically, Lorenzo's model is still alive and well. Divide and conquer. ALPA still is behind the bean counters and the Harvard MBA's.
09-17-2014, 10:19 AM
#98
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ALPA national can't unilaterally allow someone back into the union. It has to come from the local level.
09-17-2014, 10:29 AM
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"We thought it was fair to staple every CAL pilot to the bottom of our senority list but deep inside we knew what the right thing was to do."
And you think it was right for JP to try to staple a number of UAL pilots to the bottom of their own senority list. Talk about ludicrous. He was soundly defeated for the just. Did you pay attention back then?
And you think it was right for JP to try to staple a number of UAL pilots to the bottom of their own senority list. Talk about ludicrous. He was soundly defeated for the just. Did you pay attention back then?
09-17-2014, 10:52 AM
#100
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Took nothing out of context, you said it- just own it and move on. I can guarantee there are very few United pilots who thought it would be fair to staple CO on the bottom- you obviously disagree but you're wrong. Very simple.
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