Originally Posted by intrepidcv11

Yeah I REALLY don't get the bringing the spouse to a union meeting. Heck I've even seen guys bring the kids as well. I happen to care about my wife. I can think few forms of torture worse then making an outsider listen to the 5% blowhard factor that always turn LEC meetings into marathons.

Originally Posted by CRM114

Sure there's some pain, but where else will they hear the words "Bifurcate" and "Bloviate" (and all the other ALPA specific words) used by grown men and women trying really really hard to make a point?

Originally Posted by intrepidcv11

Yeah I REALLY don't get the bringing the spouse to a union meeting. Heck I've even seen guys bring the kids as well. I happen to care about my wife. I can think few forms of torture worse then making an outsider listen to the 5% blowhard factor that always turn LEC meetings into marathons.

Originally Posted by Pkcola

Is that the only UNION meeting you've attended? Could explain why you guys allowed JP to come to power over there -

Originally Posted by Pkcola

You don't have to look far for the fruits of his actions and guess what - the rank and file of CAL share in his failures.

Originally Posted by Pkcola

It really is sad that you call Jeff's profit sharing deal a win for you or your leadership. JP did nothing constructive in his short tenure. I guess you'll find where the line starts one day.

p.s.
I could care less what xhooker thinks. You guys were played by Jeff and JP helped him. We all suffered by the continued greed.

Originally Posted by Pkcola

You're welcome, the UAL MEC decided it was not the fault of the rank and file CAL pilots and it would have been wrong to ask that those same pilots be made to return their ill-gotten gains.

Good thing those seedy days are past. Now, we can all look forward to honest leadership and the end of the greed era.

Originally Posted by Skyflyin

I never said it was a win. It was just the right thing to do. You talk about greed, but it was the LUAL union that couldn't let the LCAL guys get a profit sharing check like every other work group. They could have just said, sure let them have it (as they eventually did), but noooo, they needed something too. I'm glad more sensible heads prevailed.

Anyway, back to the new hires spouse attendance. Pardon the interruption.

Originally Posted by Pkcola

Not sure what you don't agree with but I'll assume you're talking about taking away the scammed CAL profit sharing.

Jeff played JP and the CAL pilots bought into the scam. No doubt greed played a major role.

Present day, post SLI and JCBA the hearing was to be held. One of the major considerations was the remedy. There is no doubt the remedy the company would have asked for would have been to take back the ill-gotten gains from the CAL side. That would have been a no-lose situation for Jeff and the MEC would have been the bad guy.

I'll ask - what would you have done? Keep in mind that the MEC was now one and represented all United pilots. Should they take away from a segment of the pilot group for something that their prior MEC Chair did for "no-gain" for the whole. Jeff would have loved the MEC creating a divide for him.

Even though the CAL pilots share in JP's failings. The argument could be made that they hadn't had a good MEC chair and assumed that JP's actions were the norm considering past practices at CAL.

Should the UAL pilots have gotten the same amount for the deal outside of profit sharing - YES! It wasn't going to happen and the MEC did the right thing.

Originally Posted by Pkcola

I've heard the same thing, but realistically understand why the MEC made the decision they did. Whether you like it or not the CAL guys are part of United. The UAL MEC doing anything against a segment of our pilot group would have been paramount to giving Jeff free rein over the pilot group. In this case, it would have looked like revenge.