American Earnings announcment
07-24-2014, 09:20 AM
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Re-read the above from my prior post. It didn't take long for the Jeff loyalist to respond. You guys have to let this cal is better than UAL thing go and fight the real enemy of our airline. That airline is "United Airlines" and as long as Jeff has guys like you defending his actions the more your economic future falls behind.
Point of fact is that the airline industry didn't consider CAL an international competitor and under Jeff's leadership United Airlines is now not considered a worthy international competitor. You can defend Jeff all you want but it won't change the facts. Jeff needs to go and you/we shouldn't support him.
Point of fact is that the airline industry didn't consider CAL an international competitor and under Jeff's leadership United Airlines is now not considered a worthy international competitor. You can defend Jeff all you want but it won't change the facts. Jeff needs to go and you/we shouldn't support him.
07-24-2014, 09:23 AM
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Excluding Latin America (because apparently in L-UAL land, it's not international), here is how November of 2009 looked for both carriers:
UAL Nov 2009 RPM's: Domestic - 4,287,765 Atlantic: 1,309,228 Pacific: 1,668,629
58% Domestic
CAL Nov 2009 RPM's: Dom - 3,465,415 Atlantic: 1,543,515 Pacific: 669,573
61% Domestic
So, relative to Atlantic and Pacific RPM's only, L-UAL and L-CAL were only 3% apart from each other, and BOTH were primarily Domestic carriers.
07-24-2014, 09:42 AM
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Assume we were a merger of equals, would you explain why both premium passengers of old CAL and old United are jumping ship to go to DL and AA. Jeff has down-graded the airline to the old CAL model. Is that going to work long term? I expect you to defend Jeff because you somehow think he's going to deliver a quality airline. He won't!!
07-24-2014, 09:55 AM
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Assume we were a merger of equals, would you explain why both premium passengers of old CAL and old United are jumping ship to go to DL and AA. Jeff has down-graded the airline to the old CAL model. Is that going to work long term? I expect you to defend Jeff because you somehow think he's going to deliver a quality airline. He won't!!
Had Smisek reconfigured the LUAL planes to have a two class cabin, with free IFE in every seat, then we could have ran with it and probably done OK. Conversely, had we adopted the LUAL model and added the enhancements of LCAL IFE, we also could be doing fine. As it stands, we are taking deliveries of brand new 787's configured in two classes, while at the same time updating LUAL planes with new 3 class configurations. When our customers cannot get a consistent First class product on long haul international flights, they look to other airlines.
07-24-2014, 10:47 AM
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The lesson I alluded to was how to "work together" with your front line employees and how to take care of their needs. OR maybe just how to give the public that impression.
The statement about pension payment is a big deal for a lot of people who have lost their pensions over the last decade. I'm not just talking about airline personnel. Alot of those people buy airline tickets and with prices so close, social issues can be a factor.
Notice that since the merger, there have no longer been any statements about funding the CARP, like there used to be. Part of that is that funding is at minimums, and for the CPRP (pilots-plan) it is in the "at risk" category for funding.
On the other hand- and this is the confounding part; our planes are full. We are profitable, we get paid well. The operation performance, customer service may be dismal compared to what we are historically used to, but for the time being, it doesn't seem to make any difference to the bottom line.
There may(likely) come a day when the economy is worse, and foreign carriers with 25 year old flight attendants, and lower paid employees will run us out of many foreign markets. For now, Jeff and his board are pretty happy. Any discussions about operational problems are just rain on their parade.
I've been betting against this guy for years now and on the losing side of that bet.
The bottom line- and laugh if you want, is that funding your employees pensions, giving them respect in the public forum of television, is just a nice thing to do and will pay off later, if not sooner.
The statement about pension payment is a big deal for a lot of people who have lost their pensions over the last decade. I'm not just talking about airline personnel. Alot of those people buy airline tickets and with prices so close, social issues can be a factor.
Notice that since the merger, there have no longer been any statements about funding the CARP, like there used to be. Part of that is that funding is at minimums, and for the CPRP (pilots-plan) it is in the "at risk" category for funding.
On the other hand- and this is the confounding part; our planes are full. We are profitable, we get paid well. The operation performance, customer service may be dismal compared to what we are historically used to, but for the time being, it doesn't seem to make any difference to the bottom line.
There may(likely) come a day when the economy is worse, and foreign carriers with 25 year old flight attendants, and lower paid employees will run us out of many foreign markets. For now, Jeff and his board are pretty happy. Any discussions about operational problems are just rain on their parade.
I've been betting against this guy for years now and on the losing side of that bet.
The bottom line- and laugh if you want, is that funding your employees pensions, giving them respect in the public forum of television, is just a nice thing to do and will pay off later, if not sooner.
07-24-2014, 11:00 AM
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The lesson I alluded to was how to "work together" with your front line employees and how to take care of their needs. OR maybe just how to give the public that impression.
The statement about pension payment is a big deal for a lot of people who have lost their pensions over the last decade. I'm not just talking about airline personnel. Alot of those people buy airline tickets and with prices so close, social issues can be a factor.
Notice that since the merger, there have no longer been any statements about funding the CARP, like there used to be. Part of that is that funding is at minimums, and for the CPRP (pilots-plan) it is in the "at risk" category for funding.
On the other hand- and this is the confounding part; our planes are full. We are profitable, we get paid well. The operation performance, customer service may be dismal compared to what we are historically used to, but for the time being, it doesn't seem to make any difference to the bottom line.
There may(likely) come a day when the economy is worse, and foreign carriers with 25 year old flight attendants, and lower paid employees will run us out of many foreign markets. For now, Jeff and his board are pretty happy. Any discussions about operational problems are just rain on their parade.
I've been betting against this guy for years now and on the losing side of that bet.
The bottom line- and laugh if you want, is that funding your employees pensions, giving them respect in the public forum of television, is just a nice thing to do and will pay off later, if not sooner.
The statement about pension payment is a big deal for a lot of people who have lost their pensions over the last decade. I'm not just talking about airline personnel. Alot of those people buy airline tickets and with prices so close, social issues can be a factor.
Notice that since the merger, there have no longer been any statements about funding the CARP, like there used to be. Part of that is that funding is at minimums, and for the CPRP (pilots-plan) it is in the "at risk" category for funding.
On the other hand- and this is the confounding part; our planes are full. We are profitable, we get paid well. The operation performance, customer service may be dismal compared to what we are historically used to, but for the time being, it doesn't seem to make any difference to the bottom line.
There may(likely) come a day when the economy is worse, and foreign carriers with 25 year old flight attendants, and lower paid employees will run us out of many foreign markets. For now, Jeff and his board are pretty happy. Any discussions about operational problems are just rain on their parade.
I've been betting against this guy for years now and on the losing side of that bet.
The bottom line- and laugh if you want, is that funding your employees pensions, giving them respect in the public forum of television, is just a nice thing to do and will pay off later, if not sooner.
Typically, when senior management plays nice with the pilots, it's not a sign of respect but a prelude to a favor.
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