Ship Sets, EFB, Sabre, Phoenix, & SCEPTRE
07-20-2014, 03:27 PM
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LCAL did not have electronic logbooks so the 737 is still using paper.
(Not sure about the current status of all the other legacy CAL fleets but if memory serves that's one of the last remaining pieces which will allow the 777 fleets to unify.)
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07-20-2014, 04:10 PM
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More importantly it gives me a nice tray to eat my my 6 hard boiled eggs and tuna fish sandwich. What smell? Gag!
07-20-2014, 06:01 PM
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07-20-2014, 10:08 PM
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There are a "few" things I like about Sabre on the 756, but for the most part, I don't think it is worth the trade -offs for the routes we fly domestically, or even international. It has increased the cockpit work load. It is set up for a narrow gauge printer- making it less easily readable. I really have to search for the important stuff. The howgozit is a joke- not accurate. I believe we will see a lot more errors taking place once the 737 adopts it. Instead of slowing the already hectic pace- it tends to make one rush more. The ideal set up IMO would be a domestic dispatch with Phoenix and international with Sabre. I'm dreaming of course. I wonder- since we don't own it- how much more it costs us per flight to use Sabre.
07-21-2014, 06:17 AM
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In the first year alone it saved four times the initial purchase costs and license fees in fuel savings over Unimatic flight plans that were of similar sophistication to Phoenix.
As we learned with Shares, CCS and a myriad of other programs low 'ownership' costs can be dwarfed by other costs increases and lost revenues.
Sabre (former FWZ) is probably the best flight planning system available by a large margin and like anything else, once we get used to it will become the new normal.
As we learned with Shares, CCS and a myriad of other programs low 'ownership' costs can be dwarfed by other costs increases and lost revenues.
Sabre (former FWZ) is probably the best flight planning system available by a large margin and like anything else, once we get used to it will become the new normal.
No thanks. We used to have an international vs. Domestic flight plan at LUAL. Drove me nuts. If you were a domestic guy that went down to MEX once a year you basically had NO idea what you were looking at. After living with Sabre for awhile now, I find it a non issue. Can't even remember what the old flight plans looked like
07-21-2014, 06:21 AM
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Oh, someone on perdiem and special assignment? Maybe looking for a better desk job? How about a name and position?
07-21-2014, 06:40 AM
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Really? I would be interested in the methodology and data set you used to ascertain this. Can you please share with us how you determined this?
07-21-2014, 07:01 AM
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07-21-2014, 09:11 AM
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That's what I figured.
Obviously an advanced flight planning system like Sabre is more effective the longer the flight and the more complex the airspace is, but there are also efficiencies in having one flight planning system for the entire airline and on domestic flights (i.e. Canadian overflight cost avoidance).
Hopefully, some of the issues like the simpler domestic version of Sabre and synching it with a common and improved howgozit will come once all fleets have been brought online. And now that the dispatchers have a contract I have a feeling they will be more focused on efficient flight plans.
Obviously an advanced flight planning system like Sabre is more effective the longer the flight and the more complex the airspace is, but there are also efficiencies in having one flight planning system for the entire airline and on domestic flights (i.e. Canadian overflight cost avoidance).
Hopefully, some of the issues like the simpler domestic version of Sabre and synching it with a common and improved howgozit will come once all fleets have been brought online. And now that the dispatchers have a contract I have a feeling they will be more focused on efficient flight plans.
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