KillmeNow

The SLI is a simple explanation. If CAL would have gotten over on UAL, the UAL side would have shut down the operation in minutes. If UAL gets over on the CAL guys and gals, they would complain to each other in the crew room for an hour or two and than go fly a 99% on time machine......Does anyone posting in this forum really think that the people arbitrating the SLI did not know this.....Come on people......Come on......Does this not make total sense at all.....

CousinEddie

Shut the operation down through job actions, or should I say, a "deviation" from the "staus quo?" Didn't you know that airlines in this day and age are managed when needed from a court room? Ask APA, UAL-ALPA, and USAPA about it. Good luck. The arbitrators knew about that too. On to the next conspiracy theory.

pilot64golfer

No. It makes no sense. The arbitrators are not ALPA employees. They aren't beholden to ALPA and really don't care if we are ALPA or not. The logic that they made the decision based on giving the UAL side what they wanted is stupid because we didn't get what we wanted. We got less credit for longevity which benefited the CAL side and we got a 787 fence we didn't want also better for the CAL side.

So we didn't get what we wanted.

The 2013 CAL list, which 99% of LCAL guys refer to, was the benchmark the CAL side was throwing the hail Mary pass from, and it was debunked for what it was. The merger happened in 2010. Anything after that should have been shared by both legacy pilot groups. It wasn't.

The conspiracy theory that ALPA national bribed the arbitrators who couldn't care less about what the name of our union is, is just a cover-up to a bad presentation, shoot for the moon, and then trying to cover up the embarrassment of a ridiculous proposal by hiding behind a nonsense argument.

intrepidcv11

Quite frankly this is the blunt truth that far too many at CAL fail to accept. Law suits are gonna fix the fact that JP was a disaster of a MEC chairman. If you think our side 'lost' you need to point the blame at the dopes that were on JFK boulevard, not ALPA National.

KillmeNow

Anyone who has their hand in the till at the worlds 2nd largest worst airline knew that if you upset the UAL side you shut the till down. You upset the CAL guys they would blame their pathetic non existing Union and themselves and the airline till stays a churning. It really was that easy. And obviously that is what happened. Yes there are a few upset pilots on the UAL side but not even close to how many got hosed on the CAL side. We all get to just muddle along the muddy road for years to come thanks to the greed of curruption......How fun....

Regularguy

"Anyone who has their hand in the till at the worlds 2nd largest worst airline knew that if you upset the UAL side you shut the till down. You upset the CAL guys they would blame their pathetic non existing Union and themselves and the airline till stays a churning. It really was that easy. And obviously that is what happened. "

What a series of ill-informed and ignorant statements. I would wager this poster is one of the potential 2005 captains.

pilot64golfer

Believe what you want. But to me all the "arguments" about how CAL was so great, were only believed by CAL pilots and you guys have fed yourself so much BS that when the light of truth shined on all your arguments, the arbitrators saw it for what it was and made the new seniority list accordingly.

Furloughed UAL pilots were put ahead of active CAL pilots, and apparently the arbitrators felt that a pilot on furlough at United had better career prospects than a junior one working at CAL. You may not like to hear that, but they clearly knew that when they put the list together.

Its easy to say CAL was the greatest airline ever, etc even though it was losing money, living a hand to mouth existence, and getting ready to cease to exist. All words from your CEO.

Or you can say the arbitrators were bribed. Ya...that's it.

CousinEddie

In two posts you have presented an argument but failed to back it up by utilizing any facts that can be checked and verified. In the real world, people that present their case in the manner in which you do are completely ignored.

AV82SKI

You obviously didn't read the arbitrators ruling. Career expectations of both carriers were considered EQUAL and therefore received no weight. The arbitrators used 65% status and equipment and 35% longevity. It is the greater longevity of the United furloughed pilots that put them ahead of an active CAL pilot. Of course, that is using your longevity in 2010.

For example, a 2007 hire at CAL with 3.5 years longevity and employed was paired with a UAL pilot with 7 years longevity but furloughed. LONGEVITY, LONGEVITY, LONGEVITY, that is the reason the UAL pilots "won."

FYI, by the time the list came out, the CAL guy now has 6.5 years longevity and the furloughed UAL pilot is holding steady at 7 years, still furloughed.

frozenboxhauler

I love Frisco!! I thought you provincially referred to it as "The City".
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