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Old 05-12-2014, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by beeker
what is the delta pilots savings plan and how is it different?

Delta R&I has chosen to eliminate the B plan and allow the pilots to transfer the accumulated funds to 401(K), rollover IRA, cash out, or an annuity purchase. They wanted to simplify the process and reduce the cost of administration going forward. As of Jan 1st, their 15% company contribution is now put in the 401(k) with Fidelity.
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Delta R&I has chosen to eliminate the B plan and allow the pilots to transfer the accumulated funds to 401(K), rollover IRA, cash out, or an annuity purchase. They wanted to simplify the process and reduce the cost of administration going forward. As of Jan 1st, their 15% company contribution is now put in the 401(k) with Fidelity.
That sucks, I think. If it really is pure 401k then they'll hit their pretax contribution limit just from company contributions alone, just $23000 if 50 or over. With ours we can shield about $56000 from taxes--way better.
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That sucks, I think. If it really is pure 401k then they'll hit their pretax contribution limit just from company contributions alone, just $23000 if 50 or over. With ours we can shield about $56000 from taxes--way better.
No difference. They have the same limits as us
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That sucks, I think. If it really is pure 401k then they'll hit their pretax contribution limit just from company contributions alone, just $23000 if 50 or over. With ours we can shield about $56000 from taxes--way better.
DAL has the same DC 415(e) limits as us, however any excess over the 415 limit does not flow into an RHA, tax deferred, like our does.
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I guess I don't understand the uproar on fees. Open a PCRA and you can buy any stock or any fund from any company in the world (besides UCH stock).
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I guess I don't understand the uproar on fees. Open a PCRA and you can buy any stock or any fund from any company in the world (besides UCH stock).
There are a couple other restrictions besides UCH. Foreign Securities and MLP's that produce UBTI.

Otherwise, you are correct. One third of assets are in the brokerage, and there are substantial holdings in low cost ETF's and high priced mutual funds.

The new PRAP has total transparency on all fees allowing participants to fully understand what they are paying for.

The fee structure is very good, particularly on the Total Stock Market Fund. At 18/100 of 1%, it is darn near free, and not available for that price through the brokerage window.
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Originally Posted by flap
There are a couple other restrictions besides UCH. Foreign Securities and MLP's that produce UBTI.

Otherwise, you are correct. One third of assets are in the brokerage, and there are substantial holdings in low cost ETF's and high priced mutual funds.

The new PRAP has total transparency on all fees allowing participants to fully understand what they are paying for.

The fee structure is very good, particularly on the Total Stock Market Fund. At 18/100 of 1%, it is darn near free, and not available for that price through the brokerage window.
Been doing ETF's instead of the Int Fund in the CAL plan for about 18 months. Kind of a pain the @rse to rebalance and requires discipline to invest even when you fear panic is coming. Plus I always carry about a $20-30 balance due to ETF price that is essentially wasted capital. Would much rather have auto invest into low cost index funds for all parts of portfolio.
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Old 05-13-2014, 05:02 PM
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Strangely quiet from our sage OP.
Is he:
a) on a trip
b) doing real research on this issue
c) content with the facts now that more information is out
d) mercilessly punching the cat in frustration
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Strangely quiet from our sage OP.
Is he:
a) on a trip
b) doing real research on this issue
c) content with the facts now that more information is out
No kidding. The notion that Green somehow benefits from this or is some kind of heavy making things happen without oversight is so far from the truth it's stunning. The whole process was overseen by TWO rooms full of angry men and women (UAL & CAL MECs and all of their advisors) and information has been dribbled out for well over a year prior to the recent flood of information.

The other thing I'll note is that all of the R&I Chairmen over the last 20 years have been very good at negotiating reductions to fees and overheads in our plan.

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