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Old 04-29-2014, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by APC225
And are well compensated for it as well.
The point was that the type of leader we need won't fear the current state of our airline...I don't subscribe to the certain doom just yet. Also, no one will care about the CEOs compensation if he is a strong leader and turns the place around.
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Old 04-29-2014, 01:58 PM
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What are we voting on?
Those on this thread are not the first to comment on the toxic relationship this airline has had with MGT. and how attracting a "good" MGT. Team will be hard. It is fairly well known.

They called it the worst job in America over 10 years ago. Not much has changed. If I were a CEO I would run away fast from this place. When was the last good UAL CEO?United Comes Untied - Forbes

All I heard from people before the merger was how all you really wanted was our management. (Actually told that by a guy on a hotel van). Be careful what you wish for !!

I hope you are right I really do and I still want to hear the truth as it was told to you, I think I can handle it.

Did he say something like - we don't really want the pilots but the CAL management can't be any worst than what we have now.

Is it possible you heard it wrong or are you twisting the truth to suit your attack on the LUAL pilots?
 
Old 04-29-2014, 02:02 PM
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It's not US against THEM - It's THEM against US

There is a difference.

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Old 04-29-2014, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisJT6
Why not?
Well it has not happen in a Long time. How many Strong leaders were jumping at the chance to come here in the last 2 decades??!
Like I said I am not a fan of Jeff but until we are a little less divisive and a little more inclined to help we will continue to get more of the same or worse.
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Old 04-29-2014, 04:46 PM
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The point was that the type of leader we need won't fear the current state of our airline...I don't subscribe to the certain doom just yet. Also, no one will care about the CEOs compensation if he is a strong leader and turns the place around.
There's got to be one out there somewhere. I think even among CEOs there's a pecking order. Anyone who turns this company around would definitely move up.
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Originally Posted by sleeves
What are we voting on?
Those on this thread are not the first to comment on the toxic relationship this airline has had with MGT. and how attracting a "good" MGT. Team will be hard. It is fairly well known.

They called it the worst job in America over 10 years ago. Not much has changed. If I were a CEO I would run away fast from this place. When was the last good UAL CEO?United Comes Untied - Forbes

All I heard from people before the merger was how all you really wanted was our management. (Actually told that by a guy on a hotel van). Be careful what you wish for !!

I hope you are right I really do and I still want to hear the truth as it was told to you, I think I can handle it.
The comments he made were general in nature. The topic of which I'm not going to post just to feed another us vs them diatribe.

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Old 04-29-2014, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by sleeves
Well it has not happen in a Long time. How many Strong leaders were jumping at the chance to come here in the last 2 decades??!
Like I said I am not a fan of Jeff but until we are a little less divisive and a little more inclined to help we will continue to get more of the same or worse.
Less divisive and help more? How might we help the company more and dig ourselves out of the morass we find ourselves in? How will our help overcome shares, far 117/crew scheduling, loss of premium passengers, low fares and the destruction of prasm, the war on our contract, 737 training and manpower in general?
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Old 04-29-2014, 09:42 PM
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Less divisive and help more? How might we help the company more and dig ourselves out of the morass we find ourselves in? How will our help overcome shares, far 117/crew scheduling, loss of premium passengers, low fares and the destruction of prasm, the war on our contract, 737 training and manpower in general?
Really!!! So I guess you agree with Jeff when he said,"Labor is not required for a successful merger" cause I can think of many ways labor at this company could have helped nearly all of those problems. The fact is any decent manager is gonna realize labors importance. You are naive to think a decent manager is not gonna weigh the horrendous labor relations this group has had over many decades.

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The comments he made were general in nature. The topic of which I'm not going to post just to feed another us vs them diatribe.
Are you sayin I can't handle the truth? Who would the us and them be? Mgt vs pilots or UAL vs CAL?
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Originally Posted by sleeves
Really!!! So I guess you agree with Jeff when he said,"Labor is not required for a successful merger" cause I can think of many ways labor at this company could have helped nearly all of those problems. The fact is any decent manager is gonna realize labors importance. You are naive to think a decent manager is not gonna weigh the horrendous labor relations this group has had over many decades.

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do.

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Read your post. You said "we" could be less divisive and help more. This company lost more than $6 million/day Q1. Who owns that loss?

Labor could have helped nearly all those problems? Okay.
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